TexasCHLforum.com

I'm so glad I posted this thread!

I'm getting some really good ideas for the next Zeke "Rant"

chabouk wrote:

Ol Zeke wrote:OK. All legalese aside, lets get something, from a common sense point of view.

My house is PRIVATE PROPERTY. Your appartment or dorm room is PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Albertson's, Wally World, Sears Roebuck, the Mall are all privately owned property that, during regular bussiness hours, allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to enter. They are Public in nature and, as such, entry is no different than walking down the street. This is NOT the same as the home.

You're free to invite the public into your home. People do so all the time when their realtors throw "open house" viewings, where any Tom, Dick or Harry can enter. You can also revoke that invitation at any time, or tell any particular person that they're not welcome and must leave, for whatever reason you choose.

A store that is open to the public is private property, every bit as privately owned as your home. The only difference is that they have extended a general invitation to the public, but they still have the right to revoke that invitation at any time, for any reason, other than banning a broad class of people who are protected under the law due to race, etc.

Zeke, if you go to church, what would you do in that private property that issues a general invitation to the public to enter (as almost all churches do), if someone wore a shirt with an offensive slogan, or shouted a profanity every time the congregation gave an "amen!"? Would you consider it a violation of their First Amendment rights to tell them to leave? Or to have them removed under an order of trespass if they didn't leave?

Privately owned property is privately owned, whether it's open to the public or surrounded by razor wire and moats.

If I “open my house to the public” as in an “Open House”, I am making it a “Public Accommodation” (as hirundo82 states) and it is open to the public only for the duration of the Open House (I’m not even there). I can’t dictate who may attend. When the Open House is over, no one may enter without an invitation from me (“Closed for Bussiness”). I guess, if I was so inclined, I could post a 30.06 sign. I can’t discriminate against male, female, gay, straight, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Black, Brown, Yellow, Red, Green, or White. Why am I allowed to discriminate against “Law Abiding Citizens” wanting, only, to be safe in their travels?

A business may close it’s doors and “revoke it’s invitation” to the public, at any time it chooses. True, but it must revoke it’s invitation to all. It cannot deny access to one group (see above) over another.

As for the Church scenario, what would I do? Well…. pray for them, of course!

Dragonfighter wrote:

Ol Zeke wrote:OK. All legalese aside, lets get something, from a common sense point of view.

My house is PRIVATE PROPERTY. Your appartment or dorm room is PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Albertson's, Wally World, Sears Roebuck, the Mall are all privately owned property that, during regular bussiness hours, allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to enter. They are Public in nature and, as such, entry is no different than walking down the street. This is NOT the same as the home.

Private property rights should be a two-way street. If the nature of your bussiness is such that every monkey with a crew cut can just walk through the door, then I (should) have the same rights as when I was walking across the parking lot to get to the door. I (should) have the right to protect myself from those around me, who would do me harm.

Yes? No?

Much more succinct than my arguement. Well put.

Actually, your argument helped me put it into the context of my....

"eighth grade edgycation and good Christian raisin'"

OK. All legalese aside, lets get something, from a common sense point of view.

My house is PRIVATE PROPERTY. Your appartment or dorm room is PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Albertson's, Wally World, Sears Roebuck, the Mall are all privately owned property that, during regular bussiness hours, allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to enter. They are Public in nature and, as such, entry is no different than walking down the street. This is NOT the same as the home.

Private property rights should be a two-way street. If the nature of your bussiness is such that every monkey with a crew cut can just walk through the door, then I (should) have the same rights as when I was walking across the parking lot to get to the door. I (should) have the right to protect myself from those around me, who would do me harm.

Yes? No?

I’m Semi-OK with “no carry at work”. I don’t like it, but I gotta eat.
I’m not OK with being subject to the loss of my job if I leave it in my vehicle, in the parking lot!

I’m OK with not carrying in a courthouse. I’m more concerned with the walk to and from my parked vehicle. However, CHL’s could have made a positive difference in every case of a shooting in a courthouse. So it’s stupid, but I’m OK with it.

I’m OK with not carrying in the Post Office. Again, stupid, but I’m OK with it. I just don’t go to the Post Office any more than absolutely necessary.

‘Campus Carry’ is a No-Brainer. It’s not an issue with me (yet) but there are way too many wack-jobs on our campuses.

I am not OK with the fact that I must be unarmed at any of my grandchildren’s school functions. Schools have a ‘Bullseye’ painted on them and, like Churches, are prime target for wack-jobs. No child is in danger because I am carrying.

I’m not OK with going unarmed into a bar. I don’t frequent bars (the beer’s cheaper at home) but if I need to go into one, there is no place I can think of where I would be more likely to need to defend myself (miss-spent youth?). I do not drink enough to become impaired, even at home. I certainly wouldn’t, while in that kind of atmosphere.

I’m not OK with the fact that I can carry a .45 on my hip but not a knife in my boot or a retractable baton, in places I can’t carry the .45. That’s insane!

Cost for above oppinion - $0.02

Am I not the only one, who is optimistic about our chances, after the Nov. elections to get more favorable CHL Legislation? I’m optimistic that we are going to have a far more conservative legislature, next time they meet.

If so, what’s at the top of your list?

Do away with “Gun Free Zones”?

Eliminate 30.06? (Did you know there are states who’s CHL statutes prohibit businesses from forbidding CCW?)

Make it a CWL? (Does anyone else find it totally ludicrous that we can carry a concealed handgun but not a boot knife?)

Your thoughts?