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03Lightningrocks wrote:My point was.... and I said it very clearly. His post could have been answered in one simple response. There is No issue with that lease.There is No wording or even a hint of no guns allowed. Instead.... we get all kinds of what ifs, conjectures..... and even a couple guys proclaiming that the apartment complex is somehow anti-gun. It is laughable at times. To the OP.... I see no reason for you to get your feelings hurt. Your question was legit. Just realize.... there is NO need to seek special permission to own a firearm. This is America. When we ask folks if they care if we bring our guns along.... we are acting suspicious. Like I said before.... nobody would ask if it was OK to bring a stereo, or your special Ginsu Knives. Guns are just as legal as a stereo in AMERICA. Actually.... more legal than a stereo. They are protected by our constitution.Well.... the real America, anyway. Life may be different in Kali or New York. Personally...... I can't wait until we give them another go for their money...J/K...LOL.

It seems to me that we should all try not to act like we are special simply because we own a gun... or toothbrush...... or pots and pans. When i read posts from guys asking special permission to own a weapon, it actually frightens me for the direction we are headed with our RKABA. It also gives insight to how you feel about owning your firearm. if you were not feeling somewhat guilty about it, or even uncomfortable, you would not feel the need to ask if it was OK to own it or bring it into your new domicile. It is as pure as the right to free speech. Anyone here feel compelled to ask an apartment manager if there is a list of what can and cannot be said in the apartment complex? I didn't think so. I wonder if you read the part about not making a noise nuisance of yourself if you would think that means you can't talk in the place?

Any of you get what I am saying yet?????

ScottDLS wrote:

Scire.Factor wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:After all that rambling.... the point I was trying to make is this.

QUIT SEEKING PERMISSION TO EXERCISE YOUR RKBA! YOU DON"T NEED SPECIAL PERMISSION TO OWN A FIREARM! When you ask somebody something stupid like... "Can I bring my gun?" You sound like a nut! I would probably ask you what the heck also,.... and wonder what in the heck you ask me that for. It almost sounds threatening. just do it and quit acting all suspicious about it.

To further illustrate what I am getting at... does anyone ask if it is Ok to bring your stereo or your electric guitar? There are rules about that in the lease too! I bet if you did ask, the person you ask would suddenly get nervous why you are seeking special permission for such a thing so silly. they would probably wonder if you planned to blast loud music all day and night. same for guns folks! you make them wonder what you are acting so goofy about!

Alright, well my bad for asking about the verbage of the lease to ensure that I was not A) breaking any law or B) breaking the terms of my potential future lease. When I called and asked, I did not provide a name, my current location, or even my occupation to ensure that they wouldnt remember me. Again, all I did was call and asked if they had the terms spelled out in their lease against gun ownership and if so, can I have a copy of their lease. The part of the lease that I posted came from an apartment complex where the lady in the front desk told me that they are 100% gun free zone, so I wanted to ensure I was reading the lease correctly since it contradicted the employee. Again, my mistake - and I will try to not let my inexperience in concealed carrying or texas law waste this forum's time.

These threads just seem to veer off into the theoretical and philosophical ruminations about private property rights and civil and criminal law. We (at least I...) enjoy wasting our time on this stuff. I mean look, your question was valid and probably had a consensus answer about 5 or 6 posts in, but then the Monday morning legal quarterbacks (like me) decided to make it last another 4 pages. I don't think anyone believes you were wasting their time by posting it.

The lease terms you posted don't appear to prohibit concealed carry or keeping firearms in your apartment. The lady at the front desk is a moron and what she says contradicts the lease. I wouldn't worry about it.

03Lightningrocks wrote:After all that rambling.... the point I was trying to make is this.

QUIT SEEKING PERMISSION TO EXERCISE YOUR RKBA! YOU DON"T NEED SPECIAL PERMISSION TO OWN A FIREARM! When you ask somebody something stupid like... "Can I bring my gun?" You sound like a nut! I would probably ask you what the heck also,.... and wonder what in the heck you ask me that for. It almost sounds threatening. just do it and quit acting all suspicious about it.

To further illustrate what I am getting at... does anyone ask if it is Ok to bring your stereo or your electric guitar? There are rules about that in the lease too! I bet if you did ask, the person you ask would suddenly get nervous why you are seeking special permission for such a thing so silly. they would probably wonder if you planned to blast loud music all day and night. same for guns folks! you make them wonder what you are acting so goofy about!

Maybe I missed it but what part of Texas you moving to?

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Scire.Factor wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:What CHARLES said above...for goodness sake.

What did you expect them to say, "that they welcome shooters of all races and creeds and also bring any explosive or incendiary devices that you may have with you" ???

I think the thing is, ole Gringo, fellers who have never really been around guns much feel a certain kind of guilt about owning them. Almost like they are teetering on the brink of rebellion. After a few years they come to realize owning a gun isn't really anything note worthy.

Well I would expect the lease to read something like, "We follow all federal and state laws regarding firearms". I do not think it is too much to expect the right to own firearms in an apartment complex. Like I said earlier, I am not a new gun owner - as I have owned guns my whole life and work with them since I am in the military. I am new to Texas and new to renting an apartment.

Being in the military does not really make one familiar with guns. my brother was a sniper in Desert Storm and owns a judge and a 22 rifle. Not exactly what I would call a gun expert. Anyway..... I get what your saying. You are going to like Texas. we don't have many issues with private gun ownership. Just don't try to open carry....LOL. But then that would be a thread all it's own.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:What CHARLES said above...for goodness sake.

What did you expect them to say, "that they welcome shooters of all races and creeds and also bring any explosive or incendiary devices that you may have with you" ???

I think the thing is, ole Gringo, fellers who have never really been around guns much feel a certain kind of guilt about owning them. Almost like they are teetering on the brink of rebellion. After a few years they come to realize owning a gun isn't really anything note worthy.

Bennies wrote:The apartment i lived in last had the exact quoted wording you posted. I did not see where it prohibited me from carrying or owning a firearm. But i agree with Charles. Do not ask. If its not in the lease that firearms are prohibited i think you would be OK IMO. I carried into the leasing office all the time and never thought twice about doing so.

ScottDLS wrote:

Scire.Factor wrote:Thank you everybody for your help. I am going to take the lease to a lawyer just to cover my butt. I will reply with an update.

What? Pay someone for a legally informed opinion rather than relying on the accumulated wisdom of anonymous keyboard warriors...? Well, it's your money...

CaptWoodrow10 wrote:

HighHandicap wrote:I think the best thing to do would be to call a lawyer and get their take on it. I'd be pretty tempted to move on from a place like that since they're obvious intent is to be anti-gun. Have you looked at their physical location? Maybe they're a posted 30.06 and you can't carry there.

Edit:*** They may not be able to legally enforce their policy, but they can be a real pain in the butt until you can't wait to leave. Better safe than sorry.

The 30.06 issue was my first thought as well. Also, I believe that the OP has just been given verbal notice as well. I would look into another complex if possible.