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by E.Marquez
Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:24 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Traveling with gun...TSA experience this week
Replies: 34
Views: 4380

Re: Traveling with gun...TSA experience this week

kyreb wrote:" Having the TSA web site guidance, a copy of the regulations and a copy of the airline policy for traveling with firearms on your person stored with your
carry on is greatly recommended. It has saved me several times now from unneeded hassle with ignorant airline and TSA employees."


Providing you get someone that is able and is willing to read the regs. I feel sure the people I dealt with would have told me to stuff the regs. They were adamant they knew all the rules and insisted I add TSA locks or I could take my gun case back to the house..... :waiting:
I admit it's a [possibility. But what i have found is, while they do not like it at all.. Out of the group (usually a LEO) one or more of the group will actually be interested in doing the right thing, it only takes one.
Add to that .. I am very willing to spend as much time as needed ON THE SPOT making folks understand right, and if that requires phone calls, video tape, media involvement and calls on the spot to congress critters so be it. It has never been needed. Someone has always looked at the documentation and talked sense ion to the others. :thumbs2:
by E.Marquez
Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:20 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Traveling with gun...TSA experience this week
Replies: 34
Views: 4380

Re: Traveling with gun...TSA experience this week

RHenriksen wrote:
ELB wrote:
jordanmills wrote:You aren't supposed to use the TSA locks on firearms baggage, IIRC. They don't trust their own people enough for that.
That used to be true, but not any more. It changed last year sometime. You can still use your own lock, but you can also use the TSA ones now.
This is new information to me. Do you have a link to the new regulations?
As of 21 NOV 2010 when I received an official response from TSA, the policy remains, the locked container must be accessible only to the owner (ie traveler).
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Thank you for your e-mail message concerning the checked baggage screening process and how it affects passengers carrying firearms in checked baggage.

On flights that originate in the U.S. passengers can transport a firearm in accordance with 49 CFR §1540.111 under the following conditions:

. the firearm must be unloaded;
. it must be in checked, not carry-on, baggage;
. it must be in a locked hard-sided container; and
. it must be declared to the airline.

If these conditions are met, the airline will place a declaration tag inside the checked baggage containing the firearm. This notice alerts Transportation Security Officers (TSOs) to the presence of the firearm if they have to open the bag to inspect it.

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is required by law to electronically screen all checked baggage that goes aboard a commercial passenger flight. If electronic screening cannot verify that a bag and its contents are safe to bring onboard the flight, TSOs will inspect the bag by hand. TSA, therefore, encourages (but does not require) passengers to keep their checked bags unlocked to facilitate the process and reduce the need to break locks.

TSA recommends that you place the locked hard-sided container with the firearm inside a suitcase or other bag before you check it with your airline. This will allow you to leave your suitcase unlocked but also to comply with the requirement that the firearm be in a locked container.

You can use a hard-sided locked suitcase as the sole container for your firearm. However, this can lead to one of the two following complications if your bag needs to be inspected by hand:

. If the TSOs can determine from the screening equipment that the bag contains a firearm, they will not open it. They will instead attempt to locate you and obtain the key or combination so that they can inspect the bag. If they cannot locate you, the bag will not be allowed onboard the aircraft.

. If the TSOs do not see that the bag contains a firearm before they open it, they may force open the lock and proceed to inspect the bag. Once the lock is forced open, the bag cannot be allowed on an aircraft until it is relocked. TSA will attempt to locate you and make suitable arrangements.

These potential inconveniences can be avoided by following TSA's recommendation that you pack your firearm by itself in a separate, hard-sided, locked container and pack the container inside your suitcase. If TSOs need to open your bag to inspect it, they will be able to do so with out breaking a lock on the bag.

Once the TSOs open the bag, they will see the declaration in your suitcase and will not open the locked container encasing the firearm. They will proceed to search the bag, close it, and (presuming the bag is free of prohibited items) will be able to allow it onboard your flight.

We encourage you to visit our website at http://www.tsa.gov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for additional information about TSA. We continue to add new information and encourage you to check the website frequently for updated information.


TSA Contact Center
And
from the current TSA web site
Traveling with Special Items
Firearms & Ammunition
The container must be locked. A locked container is defined as one that completely secures the firearm from access by anyone other than you.
Bottom line, TSA locks should NOT BE USED, and if used directly violate the regulations and TSA guidance provided.

Having the TSA web site guidance, a copy of the regulations and a copy of the airline policy for traveling with firearms on your person stored with your
carry on is greatly recommended. It has saved me several times now from unneeded hassle with ignorant airline and TSA employees.

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