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Changed my mind, wont get caught up replying to personal attacks...
Back to the topic..

A holster is like a shoe, ya half to get one that fits and you have to use it as designed, and if you want to use it well, you have to train. The Tex in that vid.... well he might have the first two points, but he's lacking on the last. He was set for failure no matter what holster he had strapped on.

AndyC wrote: And totally ignoring the evidence of the OP's video - and other occurrences - right?

Not at all, I think that guy was capable of shooting him self no matter what holster he used. He put his finger on the trigger prior to being anywhere near on target. Happens all the time with unskilled shooters, no matter the holster.
Look at time :58 the weapon is well cleared of the holster, his finger then CURLS on to the trigger and he discharges the weapon. That will happen no matter what. He was (is) unskilled doing a drill not trained for.

AndyC wrote:Professional vs amateur in that context meaning professional gun-handling or attitude towards firearm; it has nothing to do with their job, but obviously that went over your head

Nope i got it, it's just your SIG line makes me giggle every time I read it, knowing many who call them selfs pros, arnt.

The ND's don't seem to occur during regular holstering or unholstering ie. loading and unloading- so your point is largely irrelevant as that's not where the issue lies. They always seem to occur during live-fire events.

well im not all that up on pretend live fire stuff some are, and I'm sure it's very realistic.

But again,, the data I'm looking at is ND's not just inside the wire, all of um, in contact and not. Been humping a ruck for 25 years now,, last 5 in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan.. Im sure you have seen the reports, and or been here..(you mentioned PX) there is some shooting going on.here.. bit more then your average "Pro" back home might see in a life time on the force, DEA, FBI, etc.
Enemy contact or not live fire training, base ops, Garrison, or at the range at home station... Your opinion that the position of the weapon lock on that holster is bad is one thing, the facts as I see them on the ground another.
Thats all Im saying.
Your opinion is as valid as mine,, your concern for the design valid as it apply s to your observations..
To each his own, do what works for you.

Amateurs skip safety-checks - pros don't.

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ND's not just for Amateurs

AndyC wrote:The Serpa is popular in the sandbox because it's practically all one can get in the PXs (I've seen that for myself) - its "popularity" is irrelevant, and I do know of at least one well-known training outfit which has banned that holster from being used during their tactical courses.

While the holster itself doesn't cause NDs (nor did I imply as much), it's certainly a contributor in this and other shootings. Here's another example:

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If they moved the button away from the trigger, the only issue I'd have with the Serpa is its propensity to lock the weapon in the holster when it gets stones under the button.

The popular reference was just to lend understanding that there are a lot in use, not a statement as to quality or design.
Again, still regardless of what some guess or think of the design, the evidence shows, it's not an issue.
People can not like the holster design for what ever reason they want
That does not change the very real observations of mine.
Simply, three years of observation many thousands observed using this holster design over hundreds of thousands of hours in use, hundreds of ND's witnessed and reported on and not one attributed to drawing from this style holster.

"Professionals" seem to regularly find a way to shoot them self's and others with all kinds of holsters. If someone is attributing that to the Serpa design, Id say, a large body of evidence shows otherwise.


Professionals skip safety-checks - shooting amateurs and them self's with astonishing regularity.

AndyC wrote:Apart from the fact that all their stuff seems to be made in China, I've always had a specific loathing for their Serpa holster.

I don't really care how many people say they love it, or that they've never had an accident.... I just don't believe that a safe place for a release-mechanism on a security-holster is right by the trigger.

The owner takes pains not to blame the holster but himself (which ultimately is true) - but I believe that poor design of the holster led directly to the discharge.

People can manage to have an ND any number of ways. Some of which fit the "Ya cant make this up" category...Were it not considered classified, I'd tell tales..
Anyway
The proof is in the pudding as they say. I see every ND report for a large division size unit two deployments running, and from an entire Task Force this time around (35,000 or so) and receive reports from units Army wide anytime a reportable death or serious injury happens . I Also see the ND reports from every contractor serving in this AO (if it's reported)..That's a lot of lightly to mostly to untrained M9 carrying folks, doing so for a year straight every day, holstering and un holstering several times a day.
The SERPA holster is VERY popular (I use a belt one myself) here. Not a single ND has been caused by drawing a loaded weapon from a SERPA holster that I can find, not one I have read of in two years running.

So while it might not look like a good layout to some, and one might think it's an unsafe design, the evidence shows, it's not been causative in any ND I can attest to.

Not an argument, or flame, just an observation from my exsperance and that of 30,000 of my closest friends