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My bottom line.. If one feels that handling a wehttps://texaschlforum.com/ucp.php?i=ucp_notifications&sid=27974f6b877d06769b11da86d2520971apon is astronomically increasing your chance of an ND.... that person should not handle a loaded weapon until that astronomically high liability is mitigated though proper and effective training.

WildRose wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:04 pmAn opinion which is refuted by the facts.

What you ignore or do not understand is the demographic that has your astronomical chance of an ND because they handle a firearm. Yes, of course the untrained have an astronomical chance of having an ND when they so much as touch a loaded firearm... On the other hand my 8 year old sons had very little chance of having an ND because they were trained. The few have the many,,,not the many will all have an astronomical chance of an ND.. The Math of reality proves this.. You can play with numbers in theory, I'll continue to make real life observations and take note your position is not what I observe daily.

Again, if you or anyone you know has an astronomical high chance of having an ND when they handle a firearm, they should not be handling a firearm until properly trained. Its just math.. but I think you no that and just wish to argue.. and for that reason I'm done, you may have the last word.

We will just have to agree to disagree

WildRose wrote: ↑Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:08 am The odds of an AD go up astronomically every time you handle a firearm outside of it's holster.

EDIT:
Of note.. I don't think Wildrose you were directly saying YOU are astronomical libel to have a ND by handling your weapon outside of a holster, so my comment above does not necessarily apply to you..



While I understand, the ND statistically is less likely if the gun is in a holster..
Every time I read something like that above, My thought is//There is a person that should not handle a firearm.

In no way, shape or form do I believe odds go up "astronomically every time" I handle my firearm... If that were true, we would have an astronomical number of ND's daily as hundreds of thousands of weapons Id venture to say are handled every day loaded and outside of a holster.
My position is supported by the up close and personal observation and experience of seeing weapons weapons handled out side of a holster every hour of every day months at a time, day in and day out... test of thousand of personal observations over the course of 30 years or so.
Does an ND occasionally happen? You bet.... 14,500 "trained" people over 14 months handling loaded weapons 24 hours a day had 115 ND's in those 14 months. I also investigated 2 AD's, a discharge truly not due to negligence.

I get the general position, an ND is more possible if your handling the weapon vice it sitting in a holster ..that's just probability numbers that cant be disputed.
But a probability is not the same as an event actually happening.

My bottom line.. If one feels that handling a weapon is astronomically increasing your chance of an ND.... that person should not handle a loaded weapon until that astronomically high liability is mitigated though proper and effective training.

WTR wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:06 pm Even with a 5” steel 1911, I don’t see what the problem is with a proper holster.

Holster and proper belt is the combo I believe is the better choice.
My gun belts, though all loops even with the buckle undone still securely retains my medium frame EDC in its holster, relative to the trousers.

Ive been carrying a weapon most every day since 1985. Not once have I had an ND, or even near ND. Never lost my weapon, misplaced, was not away of its location.
Humans are imperfect, Humans are fallible, so its always a possibility I could one do do either..But that knowledge keeps me attuned in a proactive manner to mitigate the risks.

I think its the ones that believe it CANT happen to them are the bigger risk.