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Keith B wrote:

alvins wrote:

fickman wrote:Nice shotgun! I've actually purchased two firearms at gun shows, but doubt I'll ever do it again.



- Charging the credit card fee violates the agreements most of them signed with the credit card processor. If reported, they could actually lose their ability to accept credit cards. Sure, they lose a little bit of the margin on each sale, but they end up making a ton of transactions that they otherwise wouldn't have access to if they only accepted cash, so the theory is that they still end up ahead. The same goes for small businesses trying to enforce a minimum sale amount for accepting credit cards.

Glad you had a pleasant experience. . . guess I sound pretty grouchy.

Accually thats not true anymore. we can thank obama for it.

Can you give more info on this? I am not aware of that changing.

And, the way these vendors get by the rule is they are not charging you to use your card, they are actually offering a 'discount' for using cash, which is allowed by VISA and other major card companies. The vendors just mark the cash price on the guns instead of the full price.

I think you are (mostly) on track, Keith B. According to merchantcouncil.org:

Every originator except for Discover forbids surcharging credit card sales, however, as MasterCard so clearly states, "A Merchant may provide a discount to its customers for cash payments." This statement holds the secret to passing credit card processing fees on to customers. The trick isn't charging customers more for using a credit card; it's charging them less for using cash.

In order to charge customers for credit card processing fees you must create a dual pricing model. To accomplish this, raise all prices to offset processing fees and then offer a discount on cash purchases that's equal to the price increase.

The catch is that the cash price must be presented as a discount to the true price. This means that price tags, signage and advertisements must display the higher (credit card) price first and then display the lower (cash discount) price as a discount. For example, many gas stations offer a cash discount but they post the higher (credit card) price on their roadside signage.

I love gun shows, and will go just to drool. Especially when a new gun comes out that I want to check out. I always get there a little before they open the doors on day one. The first couple hours are generally nowhere near as crowded as it gets later. I have found very good deals at gun shows, but since I'm not a millionaire, I normally have too pass.

Thanks for the ammo links, guys. That one deal for the can of mil ammo for $99 makes me wanna jump up and get my credit card. I have to take it easy for a while, though, because I just bought the shotgun.

Thanks for the link.

The only problem I have with the sling is that it is on Uncle Mike's Quick Detachable Super Swivels, and because the front sling point is less than an inch from the muzzle, it is possible for the sling to flip up in front of the muzzle. However, due to the way the sling naturally hangs, it is unlikely to happen. It would just be a mess if it did.

When I took my shotgun out of the safe this morning, I said, "Good morning, shotgun." lol

Does anybody have any other recommendations, other than train and practice until my fingers bleed and the bank account is dry? I've already been reading forums like crazy. I'm looking at getting the CDM Mod-C flashlight mount and a Streamlight PolyTac LED flashlight. I have a Surefire G2 on my AR, but that light would not be as suited for use on a pump shotgun due to the way you have to twist the endcap to get constant-on (the button on the end in momentary only). The PolyTac has a more traditional forward clicky with momentary-on by lightly pressing the button.

...Is that if you go to them all the time, you tend to buy guns
New (to me) 12 gauge pump shotgun!

Woo hoo! Here's the specs:

Winchester 1300 Defender
Caliber: 12 Ga., 2 ¾” and 3”
Length: 39.5”
Barrel Length: 18” cylinder bore
Weight: 6 lbs. 8 oz. (empty)
Capacity: 7+1
Finish: Non-glare
Stock: Synthetic
Length of Pull: 14”
Sights: Bead front sight
Notes: Discontinued in 2005. Last MSRP was $341. Mine does not have removable fiber optic front sight. Receiver is not drilled and tapped. Purchased 04/16/11.
$290 including 8.25% sales tax and 1% fee for credit card
High Caliber Gun Show, Pasadena Convention Center, Fairmont Pkwy., Pasadena, TX
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/ ... mid=512104" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is used, which is not surprising since Winchester stopped making shotguns in 2005 when their factory in New Haven, Connecticut shut down. Aside from the fairy-tale Kel-Tec KSG, I was eyeballing the Mossberg 590A1, but they are a good $450 new. When I saw this puppy at the gun show in the Pasadena Convention Center today, I jumped on it (actually, I went home, Googled it, told my wife about it, she gave me the thumbs up on buying it, and then I drove back to the show and bought it.) I was already familiar with this model from reading forums, watching YouTube videos, etc., so I already knew it was a good gun. I just had to make sure it was a fair price.

The gun is almost new - the dealer said that it belonged to the son of a regular customer of his who joined a police academy and moved to Ohio, and he sold it before he left. I totally stripped it down and cleaned it when I got home. Lots of old, brown, gunky gun oil. I cleaned it with M-Pro 7 and lubricated it with Slip2000 EWL. I threw my G.I. military sling on for laughs - I don't plan on leaving it on there. Now I just have to load up on shotshells and head for the range.