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by chasfm11
Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:44 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: It's called Operation Troll The NSA.
Replies: 23
Views: 4444

Re: It's called Operation Troll The NSA.

RottenApple wrote:
chasfm11 wrote: :iagree: That's been my point for the last 5 years. On this subject, it likely doesn't matter who gets elected to the POTUS job. The momentum of the Federal government is to become more and more intrusive. The politicians keep trying to divide us into the R verus D camps when we should be unifying against all of them and what they are doing.

The only thing that changes with the President is the level of corruption. Some are worse than others - both sides. It depends on how corrupt the Presidential advisors are as to the amount that they turn the various government bureaucracies into their person shills. Checks and balances to prevent that are slim and none. Most of the corruption is deliberately kept from the President for plausible deniability, weak though it may be.
The checks and balances disappeared when Senators became elected directly by the people instead of by the states. The rational behind a House and a Senate was that the House would represent the People and the Senate would represent the States. Now, we have, in effect, 2 houses representing the People (kinda sorta but not really) and nothing protecting State's rights.
Perhaps. Another viewpoint is that the checks and balances disappeared with size. The shear number of Federal employees makes oversight difficult. A rogue manager in one division of the Federal Bureaucracy could get away with a lot as long as it was done reasonably discretely. Whistle blowers are frowned upon or worse and there is no real incentive (unless the person has a strong set of moral values) to go against the establishment. Congressional oversight has been lost in the same volume problem. One could argue that whatever the Senate does is irrelevant to the House's Constitutional oversight authority. In practice, a lot of that authority is ceded via legislation to the Executive branch - who has too much to look over already. For me, DHS is a great example of the problem. It went from an almost nothing department to one of the most powerful organizations at the Federal level with little or no Congressional review. The immigration bill would grant it even further unwieldy power.

I'm hard pressed to find any part of anything that comes out of D.C. that represents the will of the people. All actions represent the will of the huge lobbist organization. That is where the real power is.
by chasfm11
Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:18 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: It's called Operation Troll The NSA.
Replies: 23
Views: 4444

Re: It's called Operation Troll The NSA.

cb1000rider wrote: As I understand it, the current "regime" simply clarified policies put in place by the prior "regime". Regardless of which particular political faction you're with, if the fact that the government is listening concerns you, you don't get to scream "Obama".
And those complaining about Bush, guess what... Obama let it continue.
:iagree: That's been my point for the last 5 years. On this subject, it likely doesn't matter who gets elected to the POTUS job. The momentum of the Federal government is to become more and more intrusive. The politicians keep trying to divide us into the R verus D camps when we should be unifying against all of them and what they are doing.

The only thing that changes with the President is the level of corruption. Some are worse than others - both sides. It depends on how corrupt the Presidential advisors are as to the amount that they turn the various government bureaucracies into their person shills. Checks and balances to prevent that are slim and none. Most of the corruption is deliberately kept from the President for plausible deniability, weak though it may be.
by chasfm11
Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:44 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: It's called Operation Troll The NSA.
Replies: 23
Views: 4444

Re: It's called Operation Troll The NSA.

anygunanywhere wrote:
Lonest4r wrote:I had this same idea the other day, but after further thought I decided against starting this. I don't want to make it harder for them to distinguish a terrorist by increasing the noise to signal ratio, I want them to just plain stop listening unless they really have to. If you want to do this as your form of protest I would at least change it up and think of as many clever ways to sneak buzz-words into innocuous sentences. Have some fun with it without actually saying anything.
Just like they caught those guys in Boston by monitoring their email, cell phone, and facebook, right?

Please. Spare us. They have no intent on catching muslim extremists or any other extremist from any other country.

They want us.

Anygunanywhere
:iagree: The only thing that has come out of these programs since 2009 has been "claims" that they have stopped terrorists. Those claims are brought to you by the same people who claimed that Bengazi was caused by random protests to a video that noone could access. In actuality, every terrorist act or attempted act since 2009 was addressed by normal people. They would not have caught the Boston bombers without one of the victims remembering seeing them and the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber were both stopped by ordinary citizens. $80B a year should buy a lot more than that - if indeed terrorists were the targets.

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