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OldCannon - Thank you very much, you have been very helpful. I did ask a local dealer this morning and I finally found the answer to my questions on multiple long gun purchases. The proposal (from your link) became an official BATF ruling on August 14th, 2011 and a form 3310, I believe, must be filed on multiple long gun sales when said guns are semi-automatic, caliber greater than a .22, and have detachable magazines. This is for states bordering Mexico. Just like you said!

My problem is that I could not find any supporting evidence that the proposal had actually been fully and officially implemented by the ATF.......now I know.

On the other matter, I was not asking at all about transfer fees. You may not be understanding me or just avoiding the question.

You have been very helpful and patient and I appreciate it. But since I lack the ability to communicate my inquiry to you online, I will just stop.

Thanks again.

OldCannon - I'm really sorry to ask again but I seem to be having a problem conveying my questions in a manner in which they are understood. Let me try again. Please bare with me.

You first stated..............

OldCannon wrote:2) 4473 is retained by FFL business owner for 20 years (this is why I charge a fee, in fact, otherwise I'd do it for free, but one of these days, storing and securing all those 4473 is gonna cost me real money).

From your statement that I highlighted in red, I gathered that you were charging.........someone......for storage fees of the 4473 transaction forms but I was not sure who was being charged so I asked...........

alpmc wrote:To whom do you charge a fee for storing 4473 forms?

You replied.......

OldCannon wrote:If I need to archive files, I could use a resource like Iron Mountain or some such place for offsite storage. For now, a locked file cabinet here works just fine.

OK, you must have misunderstood the question, sorry....my fault. Since you first stated that you DO charge storage fees for the 4473 forms, and then you stated that you use a locked file cabinet at your business for the storage of the 4473 forms.

Who is getting charged with the storage fees of the 4473 forms in your locked cabinet? The ATF? Your customers?

Again, I'm sorry to be asking this next question again but I need some clarity. Please bare with me here.

In your first correctional post you stated..........

OldCannon wrote:3) Multiple Transaction Forms apply to long guns as well in states bordering Mexico due to new regulations.

Based on your wording, I interpreted this to mean that due to new regulations (on the books) that Multiple Transaction Forms apply to all long guns sold in states bordering Mexico. I had not heard about this and was interested to know when this had come into effect.

So I responded by asking............

alpmc wrote:So your saying that all multiple transactions must be reported by Texas gun dealers.......even long guns? Please tell us more on this matter with source references to the regulations.

Thanks!

You provided some links. Thanks. However, while reading the first of the provided links I learned that your original statement is just a current proposal by the ATF and is not an actual law. The second link was the ATF's justification for the proposal. I'm not interested in an FFL so I only scanned the third link.

So here's my revised question....

As of today's date, do you, as a Texas dealer, have to file a Multiple Transaction form to the ATF and local Law Enforcement when more than two long guns, despite their type, are purchased at the same time?

If your answer is yes...........please provide a link to the actual law.

Thanks for your patience and help. I appreciate it!

OldCannon - Thanks for your corrections to my post. I'm not a dealer but I have inquired about this very subject from 3 of our local guys...................seems they are not telling me the whole story. They all said they called into NICS.............none mentioned a computer. Glad to know this is an option.

Let me get this straight.......you said:

OldCannon wrote:2) 4473 is retained by FFL business owner for 20 years (this is why I charge a fee, in fact, otherwise I'd do it for free, but one of these days, storing and securing all those 4473 is gonna cost me real money).

To whom do you charge a fee for storing 4473 forms?

OldCannon wrote:3) Multiple Transaction Forms apply to long guns as well in states bordering Mexico due to new regulations.

So your saying that all multiple transactions must be reported by Texas gun dealers.......even long guns? Please tell us more on this matter with source references to the regulations.

Thanks!

When you purchase a gun in Texas, a background check is performed by calling FBI NICS (not a computer), a reference number is issued by FBI NICS to be written on the transaction form and your are approved or denied. As was stated, the dealer is required to keep the records until they go out of business at which time they are supposed to send the forms to ATF. The ATF can come and copy any records they desire during inspections. An active CHL voids the need to call FBI NICS, but your CHL info is written on the transaction record.

The Multiple Transaction Form. The only time your info is transferred to the ATF is when you purchase more than one HANDGUN at a time! Then a copy of the transaction record goes to the ATF, and a copy also goes to the local Sheriff's Dept. If you want buy more than one handgun at a time, buy them five days apart from one another and you can avoid the multiple handgun transaction form.

Handguns only....this does not apply to longuns.