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Excaliber wrote:Thanks, ELB - that is the case I referred to but didn't have the specifics handy.

It is a sad illustration of the wisdom of what happens when someone relies on the "guess right" part of "carry 24/7 or guess right, " even for someone who "almost always" carries, and the remorseless savagery that characterizes the folks who commit these crimes.

In my reading of that story, it's not altogether certain that his weapon would have helped him. Situational awareness might have been more effectual. Once he was shot and on the ground, he might have been able to return fire before he was executed, but the story makes it seem like it happened fast enough that he might not have even been able to draw, much less get off a shot.

Reading this story had me wondering what the heck is wrong with Ohio. The BG who died was 20 years old. He had just gotten out of prison from a two year sentence for "robbery and weapons charges" and that was his second prison sentence. He had previously been convicted, at the age of seventeen, and sentenced to one year for robbery. If I were a citizen of Ohio, I would be furious with the legal system for such light sentencing for deadly serious crimes. The dead BG demonstrated complete contempt for the Ohio legal system by attempting to commit armed robbery just one week after being released from prison.

Beiruty wrote:Let us say you are carrying, draw and engage the 4 hooded robbers. Each got 2 rds center mass and all died on the scene. Only 1 robber was armed. Any exessive deadly force used, any crime committed by the defendant shooter?
My.vote is the chler is still in the clear and his actions are justified .

First of all, two of the scumbags took off immediately, so there were only two left to shoot. Second, from the description of the incident, the victim never had control of the gun. He was fighting for control when it fired several times. This was not at all like a defensive shooting situation where you use your gun to defend yourself.

The story doesn't say what happened to the second guy after the first one was shot, but I suspect he too hit the bricks and get out of Dodge. Kudos to the victim for making the best of a very bad situation. I doubt seriously he would be alive today had he not resisted while they were trying to get inside his apartment. While it's hard to say if he should have had better situational awareness, he acted decisively as soon as the opportunity presented itself.

One can only hope that we would do as well in similar circumstances.