In order for Wentworth's amendment to be germane to SB 5, he had to remove the language that included private colleges in campus carry legislation. I doubt that he was able to add them back in to his amendment to SB 1581, but we'll know tomorrow when the bill is posted with its amendments.TrueFlog wrote:Wentworth's amendment to SB1581 is not available online yet, but the original amendment from SB5 is here. The amendment makes no distinction between public or private institutions. In fact, it does not use the terms "public institution" or "private institution" at all. The result is that it decriminalizes carrying on all institutions of higher education, and prevents the same institutions from adopting any policies against carrying. So, assuming that today's amendment is the same as the one previously attached to SB5, Terryg is correct that it applies equally to both public and private campuses.baldeagle wrote:When SB 354 was offered as an amendment to SB 5, in order for it to be germane to SB 5, it had to apply to public institutions only (because that's what SB 5 applied to.) The same was true when it was offered as an amendment to SB 1581. Once SB 5 was offered as an amendment to SB 1581 and passed, SB 354 immediately became germane to the bill, because that parliamentary determination had already been made in the previous battle.terryg wrote:This is truly great to hear.
I don't like the political process - underhanded deals - sneaking this amendment in here and another one there - blocking bills in committee because you know they would pass on the floor - etc and so on.
But to think that campus carry might have a chance to pass WITHOUT the private exemption?!?!?!? As an employee of private institution, I wanted campus carry to pass but had no real hope that it could actually impact me. It is truly unbelievable.
I understand why SB5 as an amendment paved the way for SB354 as an amendment. But can someone explain to me why the private opt out had to be struck? I like it ... but I don't understand it.
I think you have misunderstood what's in the bill. Private universities will still be able to ban guns on their campuses. SB 354, as amended and passed as an amendment to SB 1581, only applies to public institutions. So I'm afraid you may have been left out in the cold unless the House amends it include private institutions (which could happen, but I don't know all the dynamics of that.)
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- Mon May 09, 2011 10:52 pm
- Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
- Topic: SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
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Re: SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
- Mon May 09, 2011 8:26 pm
- Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
- Topic: SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
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Re: SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
When SB 354 was offered as an amendment to SB 5, in order for it to be germane to SB 5, it had to apply to public institutions only (because that's what SB 5 applied to.) The same was true when it was offered as an amendment to SB 1581. Once SB 5 was offered as an amendment to SB 1581 and passed, SB 354 immediately became germane to the bill, because that parliamentary determination had already been made in the previous battle.terryg wrote:This is truly great to hear.
I don't like the political process - underhanded deals - sneaking this amendment in here and another one there - blocking bills in committee because you know they would pass on the floor - etc and so on.
But to think that campus carry might have a chance to pass WITHOUT the private exemption?!?!?!? As an employee of private institution, I wanted campus carry to pass but had no real hope that it could actually impact me. It is truly unbelievable.
I understand why SB5 as an amendment paved the way for SB354 as an amendment. But can someone explain to me why the private opt out had to be struck? I like it ... but I don't understand it.
I think you have misunderstood what's in the bill. Private universities will still be able to ban guns on their campuses. SB 354, as amended and passed as an amendment to SB 1581, only applies to public institutions. So I'm afraid you may have been left out in the cold unless the House amends it include private institutions (which could happen, but I don't know all the dynamics of that.)
- Mon May 09, 2011 8:22 pm
- Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
- Topic: SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
- Replies: 127
- Views: 22883
Re: SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
In Texas a bill has to pass out of committee(s), then be heard on second reading in the full chamber, engrossed, then heard on third reading and then passed. In general, most bills are debated and amended before they are engrossed.OldSchool wrote:Great news to hear on the tarmac in LA!!! (Is that irony, or what?)
Uh, what is "engrossment" (seriously)?
- Mon May 09, 2011 7:41 pm
- Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
- Topic: SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
- Replies: 127
- Views: 22883
Re: SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
It passed the Senate today. Campus carry is a done deal in the Senate, but we need the House to pass it as well.Monker10 wrote:This is great news
I read another article that said it was attached to Ogdens bill but it didn't specify the bill number. Thanks for the info now I am follow it. Any idea when they will vote on the bill on the Senate floor?
- Mon May 09, 2011 4:18 pm
- Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
- Topic: SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
- Replies: 127
- Views: 22883
Re: SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
The bill just passed. Campus carry is alive.
- Mon May 09, 2011 2:56 pm
- Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
- Topic: SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
- Replies: 127
- Views: 22883
SB354 offered as amendement to SB 1581
Fun in the Senate today. Senator Zaffirini offered SB 5 as amendment #4 to SB 1581, which was acceptable to the author, Senator Ogden. Wentworth then offered SB 354 as amendment #5 to SB 1581. I love it! This time Wentworth has gone "in your face" to both Ogden and Zaffirini.