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by Cobra Medic
Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:37 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
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Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

mamabearCali wrote:Hmmm you know if a mugger is standing in front of me and has already killed my neighbors and is now me telling me "I am going to kill you, your husband, your children, your parents" with a gun outstretched to do what he has just said he would do, then I am permitted to end the threat to my family. He was doing precisely that on a national level. I cry no tears for him, he was a snake in the grass and earned the hell-fire missal he got in his lap.
Oh, please. At the moment he was killed he was riding in a car. He wasn't pointing a weapon at the Americans who fired the missiles. He was a probable future threat, no argument there, but he was not an immediate threat. A more realistic domestic example is the gang leader who is connected to the thugs who killed your neighbor but he's miles away from you. So you go to his territory and gun him down because you reasonably believe he might be planning to kill you at some time in the future. That's essentially what America did in Yemen last week.

I'm not denying both the al Qaeda member and the gang member are dirt bags. What I am saying is if the killing in Yemen was moral, then it's moral for American citizens to hunt down and kill violent gang members. It's right for those guys in NM and AZ to ambush drug runners coming in from Mexico. It's good for a parent to go after a pedophile who molested her kid but got off on a technicality. In summary, it's moral to be a vigilante when due process can't (or won't) give you justice.

No double standards. :nono:
by Cobra Medic
Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:59 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
Views: 14429

Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

mamabearCali wrote:
Cobra Medic wrote: We're taught there's a difference between shooting a gang member who is attaching you RIGHT NOW and shooting a gang member who is a future threat. Or shooting a gang member who runs away after attacking you and is no longer an immediate threat.

If the killings in Yemen are moral, so is shooting the mugger in the back as he flees. Or that pharmacist in OKC killing the robber on the scene who was no longer an immediate threat.
So this guy was on a mountain top just twiddling his thumbs minding his own business? No, he was planning and plotting and trying to find any way to kill more Americans--that makes him an immediate threat. Just as much as the mugger who is down on the ground but still shooting at you.
I think you mean just as much as the mugger who is planning and plotting his next mugging. HTH
by Cobra Medic
Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:43 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
Views: 14429

Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

Keith B wrote:What gets me is how many people feel they need to carry a gun to protect themselves from those that would look to do them or others harm, but don't feel this guy was a threat and needed to be eliminated to prevent him from directing or leading attacks against the U.S. :headscratch
We're taught there's a difference between shooting a gang member who is attaching you RIGHT NOW and shooting a gang member who is a future threat. Or shooting a gang member who runs away after attacking you and is no longer an immediate threat.

If the killings in Yemen are moral, so is shooting the mugger in the back as he flees. Or that pharmacist in OKC killing the robber on the scene who was no longer an immediate threat.
by Cobra Medic
Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:32 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
Views: 14429

Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

Keith B wrote:
Cobra Medic wrote:
Purplehood wrote:I consider it a combat-related death.
In the same way a lynch mob or vigilante is acting in self defense.
That is a totally unrealistic comparison. al-Awlaki was not targeted for being a Muslim.
A vigilante killing the gang member who murdered his kid in a drive-by is not targeting the criminal because of religion or race, but because of what the criminal personally did. It's a very realistic and fair comparison, In both cases, legal/court justice is difficult, so street justice comes into play.
by Cobra Medic
Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:54 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas
Replies: 102
Views: 14429

Re: Can U.S. legally kill a citizen overseas

Purplehood wrote:I consider it a combat-related death.
In the same way a lynch mob or vigilante is acting in self defense.

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