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FloridaViaMissouri wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:

FloridaViaMissouri wrote:I'm still amazed how Trump won by 19 in MO, quite a bit better than Texas did. I just wouldn't think that would ever be possible.

I wonder if it's some ccw instructors don't like the idea of permitless carry simply because of $$$$. On veto override day Demanding Mom's had a rally at the capital and had a ccw instructor speaking about why he thought permitless carry was a bad idea. Some instructors don't like the idea of it obviously. I've heard in MO there is an instructor offering classes about Missouri's new permitless carry lol.

Could that be a problem in Texas because of all the instructors that would lose money because of the law?

Not even close. We have a couple of fruitcake groups that think they can advance "constitutional carry" by parading around in public with AR-15s (which is legal). On top of that, most of them dress like either a mall ninja or a homeless person and behave militantly, frequently falling just (barely) short of being threatening.

Scaring soccer moms is not the way to advance the cause. You can't tell them that, though, because they will loudly accuse you of being anti-gun.

What is the makeup of the Texas House and Senate? Do they have super majorities? Missouri House after this election is 117-46 and 25-9 in the Senate with every state office holder except state auditor is Republican now. Should be VERY easy to pass campus carry with Eric Greitens since fence sitting republicans can simply sit out or vote against it since they don't have to worry about needing to override a veto.

FloridaViaMissouri wrote:I'm still amazed how Trump won by 19 in MO, quite a bit better than Texas did. I just wouldn't think that would ever be possible.

I wonder if it's some ccw instructors don't like the idea of permitless carry simply because of $$$$. On veto override day Demanding Mom's had a rally at the capital and had a ccw instructor speaking about why he thought permitless carry was a bad idea. Some instructors don't like the idea of it obviously. I've heard in MO there is an instructor offering classes about Missouri's new permitless carry lol.

Could that be a problem in Texas because of all the instructors that would lose money because of the law?

TexasJohnBoy wrote:

FloridaViaMissouri wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:

FloridaViaMissouri wrote:If I recall in 2014 in the big pro gun bill that passed something was included to allow for MO ccw permits to be used in place of NICS but Chris Koster nor did anyone follow through and the ATF acts clueless when asked about it.

Here in Florida we don't have NICS bypass because our ccw permits are good for 7 years. We have a state level NICS here in FL which sucks because they always seem to have longer wait times than the federal NICS that seems faster.

Texas has a pro gun governor. Any chance permitless conceal carry gets passed there?

Not in the foreseeable future. There are a couple of "out there" groups in Texas that have poisoned that well.

You mean like Mom's Demand Action? They keep trying to stop pro gun stuff in Missouri but lost twice in 2014 and lost huge this year. They mean nothing in that state.

Unfortunately no, theres a few pro-gun groups that use extreme methods that are very offputting to the general populace and the legislators in our state, not to mention us.

FloridaViaMissouri wrote:If I recall in 2014 in the big pro gun bill that passed something was included to allow for MO ccw permits to be used in place of NICS but Chris Koster nor did anyone follow through and the ATF acts clueless when asked about it.

Here in Florida we don't have NICS bypass because our ccw permits are good for 7 years. We have a state level NICS here in FL which sucks because they always seem to have longer wait times than the federal NICS that seems faster.

Texas has a pro gun governor. Any chance permitless conceal carry gets passed there?