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The Annoyed Man wrote:One thing is for sure......if I get one, I won't be putting that oversized Elite Tactical Advantage safety switch you convinced me to put on my 590A1. If the OEM safety switch can bite you, that other one will take a big chunk out of you:

joe817 wrote:In PawPaw's video(thank you!) Clint was holding the gun as if there were an imaginary buttstock on it. Make sense to me. It's certainly not a handheld gun, unless you have super strength to handle the recoil. No, I think I'll pass on it.

ELB wrote:

jtf96b wrote:Here is the Texas Penal Code on this topic. (10)  "Short-barrel firearm" means a rifle with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or a shotgun with a barrel length of less than 18 inches, or any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle if, as altered, it has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

It was not made from a shotgun or rifle and has an overall length greater then 26 inches. I don't see anything here that says this would be illegal in Texas. Now the question is legality of carrying since it is not a hand gun nor is it a long gun. It is a Firearm.

You don't see anything that says it is legal in Texas either, because "shotgun" is undefined in Texas law. The BATFE says that if a firearm is made from a receiver that has not yet been used in a federally-defined shotgun or rifle, then it's ok to make it into a pistol or "firearm," but those are federal definitions, not Texas ones. A Texas court may or may not consider them in determining whether a Shockwave is legal prior to 1 Sep this year. Hence the amendment.

Anyway, I ran across something that to me greatly reduces the appeal of a Shockwave. Mossberg has some "rules" on their website description of a Shockwave, one of which is this:

Do not carry the Mossberg Shockwave concealed. If this gun is carry concealed, it would
be defined by BATFE as an A.O.W. and the user could be charged with possession of an
unregistered NFA weapon.

The BATFE website has this for defining AOWs:

26 U.S.C. § 5845(E)

For the purposes of the National Firearms Act, the term “Any Other Weapon” means:
•Any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive;
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•A pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell;
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•Weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading; and

•Any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire.

Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition.

So putting this thing in a gun case and carrying it in your hand conceals it, no? Backpack? Brief case? That's inconvenient.

The Annoyed Man wrote:Secondarily, the Shockwave is 26.37" long. What is the overall length of an 18" barreled pump gun with a regular pistol grip in place of a shoulder stock? The barrel is 4" longer, the receiver the same length, but the stock/grip about 4" shorter than the Shockwave. From the above conversation, it would seem that such a gun would circumvent Texas law AND the NFA regs, and not be significantly longer than the Shockwave.......or am I missing something? Don't these models already exist?