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Tamie wrote:

Hoi Polloi wrote:

Diesel42 wrote:A CHL holder went before us and I overheard the police officer tell him the Old Mill and Cotton Bowl were off limits. I just reread this thread and noticed all CHLs commenting here were told the same thing. Then the light went on... every CHL is given a verbal notice that concealed carry is not allowed in the Cotton Bowl or the Old Mill restaurant. Therefore, neither building requires a 30.06 sign.

VERY good point, sir! You get the prize!

Not all were told, however. Some were only told to keep it concealed or to let the cops handle any problems.

If the Old Mill is private property, how does a public servant have authority to act for the private owner?

I'm not challenging it. If they don't want my money I won't spend any there, whether or not it's legal. I treat it the same as gun shows that post 30.06 signs. There's lots of other businesses that do want my money.

Someone was told that it is privately owned, but being at Fair Park (city property), it has not been determined if it is private property. Those aren't necessarily the same thing. You can own a building but not the land it is built on.

Even still, the DPD are there for the explicit purpose of security for what happens in and relating to the fair (are they hired off-duty? the dept supplies them? hired on duty?) so I would say that they do have the authority of the owner to express such wishes to the public.

Diesel42 wrote:A CHL holder went before us and I overheard the police officer tell him the Old Mill and Cotton Bowl were off limits. I just reread this thread and noticed all CHLs commenting here were told the same thing. Then the light went on... every CHL is given a verbal notice that concealed carry is not allowed in the Cotton Bowl or the Old Mill restaurant. Therefore, neither building requires a 30.06 sign.

VERY good point, sir! You get the prize!

Not all were told, however. Some were only told to keep it concealed or to let the cops handle any problems.

dicion wrote:

Keith B wrote:

dicion wrote:I still want to know why they think the Old Mill is off limits....

If it legitimately is Private Property, and they have a 30.06, that's fine. But if it's Government Property, and not a 51% location, then they are incorrect, and it is legal.

The Old Mill is privately owned.

Alrighty then. Privately Owned, not on gov't property, with a 30.06. That is indeed legit then.

But all we know so far is that it is privately owned. We don't know if it is sitting on govt property (in our crazy real estate laws, that's possible) or if it has a legit 30.06 sign.

It does have a very large deck with tables. Would a hip-high fence surrounding the deck that opens onto city property (doesn't require walking through the building) be covered by a 30.06 on the door if they do indeed have one?

jeff5725us wrote:Yes, but you need to be prepared to show your license and your weapon must be totally concealed.

We have an abundance of security (police) at the Fair.

Now that was a really great PR piece, huh?

I'll re-write it for her...

Mr. Us:

Howdy! Thank you for contacting the State Fair of Texas! In response to your inquiry: Concealed Handgun License holders are welcome to attend the fair with their legally concealed firearms.

If you choose to attend the fair with a concealed firearm, the gate supervisor will escort you to a commissioned police officer who will verify that you have a current valid CHL before your admittance. Having your CHL out or easily accessible will make this process go quickly and smoothly.

As a courtesy, I'll point out that the Old Mill Inn is a private restaurant on the fair grounds which is 30.06 posted. [My note: that isn't confirmed about why the Old Mill Inn is supposedly off-limits.] CHL holders would also not be able to go in the Cotton Bowl which is only open for a collegiate sporting event as we host the Red River Shoot-Out between the University of Texas and University of Oklahoma football teams each year.

We pride ourselves on the great food and great fun we provide to this great state every year, so you will find that we have an abundance of security and police on and around the fair grounds should you have any difficulties while at the fair.

We look forward to welcoming you to the State Fair of Texas!

Sincerely,
PR Lady's Helpful Alternate Personality

I think some letters are in order commending them for the changes.
-They are not having their security handle it, but are referring all CHLs to commissioned police officers.
-They are not placing any burdens on CHL holders other than showing their CHLs to a commissioned officer.
-They have clearly pushed discretion, courtesy, and promptness in their training.
-They are not trying to document anything about the CHL holders.

I'd say some huge accolades are in order for their progress!

sjfcontrol wrote:What is "The Old Mill"?

The source of cheap hot dogs. It's a restaurant.

You need at least three more options:
Walked in without wanding
Wanded but CHL not found so walked in
Other