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loadedliberal wrote:He did turn over the proof required, TWO YEARS AGO! When he released the "short form" birth certificate that is more than enough to get a passport. I WILL SAY AGAING HE RELEASED PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP TWO YEARS AGO. Why was it still an issue this long Why was this an issue and why does it continue to be an issue, there are still many saying that they don't think he was born here. The only constitutional requirements to be President is one be at lest 35, and be born here. The form he released two years ago should of been plenty. I will not back off my earlier accretion that anyone still making an issue of this either holds some level of resentment because the President is black or they are a tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist. I understand that people wanted to be sure he was eligible, but the question was settled two and a half years ago.

I'm hearing you say, "I refuse to attribute any motive other than racism to a white man who has a problem with a black man. I choose to ignore any black men or other minorities who have the same problem and attribute indoctrinated self-hate by white racists as their only possible motive. I refuse to address any points raised by those with the issue or to assess their long-stated motives because they counter my foregone conclusion that their only motivation can be racism. I refuse to look past skin color to address the topics."

That's about the most racist point of view I think I've encountered in a long while! Black men are nothing more than their skin color to you? They can't be taken as respectable men whose positions people can disagree with (or form conspiracy theories around) like white men or women because their skin color is all you can see? There's obviously nothing to discuss as you've made it clear your position on the topic of why the birth certificate is an issue for a significant part of our country will not be changed by facts. I won't be following this thread any longer.

loadedliberal wrote:The most important thing to note is the birth certificate should never of been an issue, I would like anyone to point out another president that had to deal with an issue like this. I hate to say it and I do not take the words lightly but the only reason I see that could explain it is that he is black. Like I said there are many valid reasons not to like Obama, choosing this one makes you look like an idiot.

A man with foreign ties and upbringing (foreign father and foreign step-father with an overseas childhood), a history that can't be easily verified, questionable associations with Islam (through childhood) and Christianity (through his long-standing church affiliation) who does not have much of a public history (due to being a junior senator) is asked to prove that he's an American citizen when some aberrations with his filing process are noted by a few in a fringe. He adamantly refuses to verify his legitimacy for a very long time so that suspicions grow out of a small fringe to the point that a full quarter of our country does not believe he's American born while another large percentage have questions or doubts.

I've never followed or belonged to the birther movement and am not now inclined to do so. Painting it as racist is really ridiculous, though. This is the way our politics as usual go now. The same junk was thrown at Palin, another unknown to the majority, and to Joe the Plumber who are both white suburbanites. The media and the political masterminds go for a shotgun approach attacking any and everything and hope something sticks. In this case, Obama's refusal to deal with a little issue allowed it to become a big issue and it stuck. Trying to make him out to be an exception because he's black is the only attempt to pull race into the issue I've seen. I'd much rather an acknowledgment that this is what all public political figures are now facing and a denouncement of the current cut-throat methods on all sides because we really do have more important things to spend our time, money, and energy on than vilifying the character of those who are throwing their hat in the ring to help govern our country, on either side of the aisle.