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by Hoi Polloi
Sun May 22, 2011 2:58 pm
Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
Topic: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuses?
Replies: 78
Views: 13907

Re: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuse

Must read! It is written from a left-leaning position both in the topics it chooses to address and in its conclusion only addressing bias on the political right, but the info is just as relevant to this discussion and directly addresses concealed carry.

Rapture Ready: The Science of Self Delusion
Why Harold Camping's flock won't give up the faith, whatever happens on Saturday.
In other words, people rejected the validity of a scientific source because its conclusion contradicted their deeply held views—and thus the relative risks inherent in each scenario. A hierarchal individualist finds it difficult to believe that the things he prizes (commerce, industry, a man's freedom to possess a gun to defend his family) (PDF) could lead to outcomes deleterious to society. Whereas egalitarian communitarians tend to think that the free market causes harm, that patriarchal families mess up kids, and that people can't handle their guns. The study subjects weren't "anti-science"—not in their own minds, anyway. It's just that "science" was whatever they wanted it to be. "We've come to a misadventure, a bad situation where diverse citizens, who rely on diverse systems of cultural certification, are in conflict," says Kahan.

And that undercuts the standard notion that the way to persuade people is via evidence and argument. In fact, head-on attempts to persuade can sometimes trigger a backfire effect, where people not only fail to change their minds when confronted with the facts—they may hold their wrong views more tenaciously than ever.
by Hoi Polloi
Sun May 22, 2011 1:27 pm
Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
Topic: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuses?
Replies: 78
Views: 13907

Re: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuse

The thought just occured to me that there are a whole lot of NRA members who must have been apathetic to the cause for the congressmen to hear so little from them. Reaching that group and mobilizing them would not be a primary need, but I think it would play an important support role.

Likewise, I think we need to get more young adult women to a range.
by Hoi Polloi
Sat May 21, 2011 7:16 pm
Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
Topic: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuses?
Replies: 78
Views: 13907

Re: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuse

RHenriksen wrote:Coming in 2013:

"The Student Protection Act"

Support the SPA! Heck... can we make it a 'Pro Choice' argument?
Yes!

Extending handgun coverage, anything about handguns in classrooms, etc is still feeding right in to their fear. This is exactly the kind of terminology that is needed for this demographic to understand what is really being addressed.
by Hoi Polloi
Fri May 20, 2011 6:08 pm
Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
Topic: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuses?
Replies: 78
Views: 13907

How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuses?

Below is an excerpt from a post Charles made today on the thread discussing the Campus Carry bill. It made me start thinking of how to reach this demographic that is statistically very liberal (university faculty and 18-24 year olds). I made a proposal on a seminar for gun-phobes a while back, but I don't think that would be effective in reaching this group because you couldn't get them to actually attend. The fact that you couldn't hold it on campus wouldn't help. So what are some other ideas that are actually effective and how can we go about implementing them?
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Everything that could possibly be done for campus-carry was done. Senator Wentworth battled harder for this legislation than most legislators do for any bill. The 2/3 rule in the Senate is and always has been a controversial subject. Many years ago we used it to block anti-gun legislation. In recent years, it has worked against us, but not often. I still don't like it.

I want to be candid about the campus-carry bills this session. While it's easy to point to two Senators and say they cost us campus-carry, that's not necessarily accurate. The truth is the opposition to campus-carry was absolutely huge and it was constant. For every pro campus-carry call, fax, or email sent, there were hundreds in opposition. And it never stopped; the calls and emails were coming to the very end. In all my years of legislative work, I've never seen the level of opposition to a gun bill, or any other bill for that matter. For those who watched the hearings in the House and Senate, the daily opposition ran just as strong.

The real irony is that some of the strongest opposition came from the very people we were trying to help -- college students and faculty. That's a hard fact to ignore when you are an elected official. I have no idea why it was so much stronger this session than last, and it certainly wasn't John Woods, though he'll likely take credit for it. He simply doesn't have the influence at the student/faculty level, much less with the deep pocket donors to universities who opposed the bills just as strongly.

It's clear there is a lot of educating that needs to be done before campus-carry passes. We have to remember that the general public simply doesn't care about this issue and the idea of "guns in school" still strikes fear in the hearts of many of those who are not as well educated on the facts of concealed carry and self-defense as are those in the active shooting community. It's not their fault, nor ours, it just the way it is. We have to change that through education.

Chas.

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