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Dave2 wrote:
v-rog wrote:And to think that two months ago, topics such as, "thinking about building an AR" ruled this forum...wow!
Yeah, I've noticed the trend as well. If this were ConspiracyMillitiaForum or something, I wouldn't be surprised, but the fact that threads like this are getting serious on TexasCHLForum is proof, to me anyway, that something is going wrong with this countries leadership (and I'm not talking about which political party is in charge).

Not just here...I see the difference in lots of places, even MSM websites. The atmosphere is very different now than even a year ago.

VMI77

mamabearCali wrote:
VMI77 wrote:After reading Matt Bracken's latest I realize how foolish and simplistic my response was. Supposedly, no one can withstand waterboarding, so when the Feds start waterboarding your friends and family to find out where weapons are stashed, "trust" will be irrelevant.
If the Feds are water boarding our family and friends we had better understand where we are at. Our govt, then considers itself at war with us so we had better act accordingly. It is no longer a legitimate authority and must be resisted. One does not then wait at home for a visit from the black SUV's with a ho hum attitude. Move, get going, try to place your family in relative safety (no where is really safe then, but do your best), then be prepared to give your life to try to give them freedom. Either do that or retreat to Mexico where rule of law means nearly nothing and try to become invisible for as long as you can.

I should make one thought clear: ultimately we have to trust someone, as many others have said: we can either hang together, or most assuredly, we will all hang separately.

That said, can you be sure you'll know if people are being waterboarded? The government already executes things like sneak and peak warrants without out telling people, and conducts searches and seizures where those on whom the warrants were served are under gag orders. I'm sure any waterboarding with come will a "national security" gag order, and threats of severe punishment for anyone who talks. And you know the media is going to deny it's happening as long as The One is at the helm.

VMI77

After reading Matt Bracken's latest I realize how foolish and simplistic my response was. Supposedly, no one can withstand waterboarding, so when the Feds start waterboarding your friends and family to find out where weapons are stashed, "trust" will be irrelevant.

VMI77

mamabearCali wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote:
mamabearCali wrote:I think we could see a sudden culture of silence and shunning. Quite honestly I know who amoungst my friends that I can talk with and not, and you can bet I will no longer be giving 2nd amendment lessons post ban. If things go crazy, I will not have the afore mentioned conversation because I would not continue speaking with her. Resistance to a tyrannical govt requires judicious conversation. If this nightmare goes down, do not give way to idle talk. Speak only when you are amoungst friends and you know you are safe.
Even family relationships will be strained.

One of my D-I-L is a staunch anti. I do not trust her. She can be the vindictive sort like her parents.

Anygunanywhere

I am in the same boat. My husbands entire side is very anti. They are good people and love their son, so at this time I am not terribly worried. However I am sure they would apply pressure to my DH to try and get him to comply. Not worried about him, but rather if things got nasty what might be inadvertently said. They are talking with a neighbor.....worried....the neighbor calls it in. I think a judicious lie would be advantageous to out everyone at ease.

However it would make family gatherings all the more stressful and likely much shorter visits.

That is exactly the kind of relationship the authorities will exploit. They will probably be easily convinced that giving the Feds what they want is in the best interest of their son....and the Feds will lie to them and tell them that if they just give them what they need then their son will be ok and they won't charge him with anything.

VMI77

mamabearCali wrote:I think we could see a sudden culture of silence and shunning. Quite honestly I know who amoungst my friends that I can talk with and not, and you can bet I will no longer be giving 2nd amendment lessons post ban. If things go crazy, I will not have the afore mentioned conversation because I would not continue speaking with her. Resistance to a tyrannical govt requires judicious conversation. If this nightmare goes down, do not give way to idle talk. Speak only when you are amoungst friends and you know you are safe.

How will you know that someone you trusted didn't get caught and turned by the Feds to save himself and his family? Or that a child or spouse of someone you trusted didn't get tricked into unintentionally revealing information about you to the Feds? The family members who aren't clued into things and tend to trust authority can be very dangerous, as they can be tricked into giving you up without even realizing what they're doing.

VMI77

anygunanywhere wrote:Let's just suspend reality for a moment and assume that the gun ban has been in place for two weeks. The goberment in all of their efficient manner is still trying to set up the logistics to support the pustule's executive orders. The pustule decides that things are no progressing fast enough so he urges all safety minded pustule worshippers to rat out the criminals who are not planning on complying with his EO.

Let's develop an imaginary citizen, Ruger Wesson Winchester, RW for short. He and his wife and three offspring (mix of boys and girls) live in middle class neighborhood in small town Texas. RW is a life NRA and TSRA, a veteran. He has a CHL as does Mrs. Winchester. She shoots too. So do the kiddoes. Gun family.

RW has a mix of firearms in a safe. He owns a few ARs but is far and away not a prolific owner. He has his packing EDC as does the missus. A few plinkers and shootguns for hunting and a deer rifle or two.

The family is active socially and are very active with their kiddoes.

At a school event, Mr and Mrs RWS are at the school stadium watching one of their children compete. Sitting in the row in front of them are some aquaintances, Mr and Mrs Algore Jarrett Feinstein-Pelosi. They know each other through various small town events.

During a lull in the action Mr F-P turns around to RW and says "I am glad that pustule took decisive action and is removing guns from the streets. I feel safer already." RW ignores the comment.

Mrs F-P looks at Mrs RW and says "I saw you at the butcher shop the other day picking up some wild game your family shot last year. Too bad (snork) you have to turn in your guns so you can't kill any more bambis. Mrs RW ignores her too.

Mr F-P makes another stab. "YOu know, it is no secret that you are a gun nut. I seen you at that DU banquet at the Holiday Inn. I was there eating with Mrs F-P at the buffet. They have a great tofu buffet. My friend says he seen you at a Friends of the NRA dinner a few years back. He told me no way is he going to jail so he is registering all his guns and will give them up if they ask. I hope you are going to do the same cause it is for the chilrdren dontchaknow."

Mr. RW looks at him and says "I will do what I have to do". Nothing more.

A few days late Mr Feinstein=Pelosi calls the 800 number and turns in Mr RW. No real reason, He wants a safe town and it is for the children.

Two weeks later BATFE jackboots kick down MR RW's door. The pustule has declared that there needs to be some examples set so compliance will go easier.

You can imagine what the rest of their lives is like.

WHO ARE YOU GOING TO TRUST?

Anygunanywhere

Almost no one automatically....but as I perceive the order of threat: 1) family members who don't like you, your attitude, your politics, are envious...etc, and even those who do but get tricked into revealing information by the Feds; 2) friends and acquaintances (not necessarily your buddy, but his liberal wife, for instance) --again, trusted friends may be tricked by the Feds; 3) neighbors that don't like you or your politics or your kids or the car you drive, etc; and 4) strangers --no one can betray you if they don't know anything about you. IOW, the better someone knows you, the greater potential threat they are --even fellow gun owners that might be considered friends. Say, for example, friend Bubba gets caught with a prohibited weapon, but the Feds cut him a deal to let him off and spare his family if he rats out his buds.

You have to make a judgement based on what you know and can determine about the person, always aware that some people you consider trusted friends and family may turn on your when their neck is in the noose. I only know three people I can trust absolutely: my wife and my two sons. I wouldn't automatically assume I can trust anyone else in the family, even though most of them are pro RKBA and own guns. OTOH, if it would save my sons, I'd expect to be sacrificed to protect them if that was necessary. Knowing my wife would not want me to sacrifice myself for her and that I don't want her to sacrifice herself for me, we'd probably go down as a team.

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