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cb1000rider wrote:

VMI77 wrote: Sorry, but you're just wrong on this count. The left does indeed believe it and it was the status quo in the former Soviet Union. Collectivists believe the honest citizens are the cause of crime, by victimizing those of the lower classes, and causing them to be criminals, and they definitely believe, as victims, that their rights are superior to the rights of honest citizens. The once Great Britain is an example of this ideology in action.

VM,
You've already called me a Collectivist. You've called me liberal (left).
I'm telling you that I don't believe any of those things. Either stop labeling me or stop telling me what I believe. You get to pick one, not both.

cb1000rider wrote:No one really believes that the rights of a criminal dominate the rights of honest citizens. That may be the way things fall due to our legal system or some of the fears that I bring up above.

sodchemist wrote:here is the criminal's obituary (the first criminal, perhaps, if you are inclined to think of it that way). the details of this obituary might not mean much to you, but i grew up in spokane and also went to mead high school (one of the best in the state). it is sad that this guy stole the old car and lost his life over it. his father (Brian) was also arrested for stealing a police car after his son was killed.

KALUZA- GRAHAM, Brendon Tyler (Age 25) Passed away March 25, 2013, way too young. Born in Spokane, WA on October 16, 1987 to Angela Graham and Brian Kaluza. Brendon graduated from All Saints Grade School, attended high school in the Mead School district and also studied at SCC. He enjoyed playing sports, especially baseball. He loved camping at Priest Lake and traveling many places with his family. He was an avid reader, especially history and other non-fiction. He liked working and skiing with his Grandpa and fishing with Dad and brothers. He was a talented landscaper who took great pride in his work. Brendon was very involved with his big family and was really good with the little ones. Brendon is survived by Mother, Angie (Graham) Jenkins and father, Brian Kaluza. Siblings include Connor, Allyson, Ryan Kaluza and Garrett Graham. Grandparents are Yvette and Bob Graham, Ann and Mike Kaluza. He is also greatly missed by many aunts, uncles and cousins. A memorial service and celebration of his life for family and friends, will be held at St. Mark’s Lutheran Church, 24th and Grand Ave, Spokane WA. The family would respectfully accept contributions to Brendon’s memorial or a charity of your choice.

philip964 wrote:I am seeing a trend.

Call it the Zimmerman Trend if you like.

Some people in America (I include prosecutors in this ) have a belief that, death or injury by a citizen is not the appropriate punishment for a crime. That the life of a criminal is important. Important enough to save from harm while they are committing their crime.

Stopping a crime is not worth the life or injury of a criminal. A criminal's life is too important.

Citizens have no right to stop a crime in progress, even if it is against them. They must wait for the police and (if they are alive) go through the proper legal channels to seek redress.

These Americans believe that criminals have rights, those rights must be upheld. The rights of an honest citizen is secondary. Criminals have a right to be rehabilitated by society, no matter their crime.

To me, this explains this and other similar incidents that have recently occurred.

Fortunately this is still not the case in Texas, yet.