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Pecos wrote:

Abraham wrote:A quick aside: Is a Lexus the car of liberals?

I thought it was a Prius? (also known as the Smug-mobile)

Your right! It's the Prius!

Hey, hey.....not always now....the car my company provides me is a Prius. I don't think a liberal has ever even ridden in it (if there are any liberals where I work, I've either never met them, or they've never let on what their politics are).

crice8 wrote:

VMI77 wrote:To me, ANY bumper sticker would be a warning sign, no matter what it said. When I see a liberal bumper sticker I know I'm dealing with a lost cause. A second warning sign, perhaps even more serious, is the "Maryland connection." OTOH, in my experience, IT people tend to lean towards libertarianism....I don't think there are any people in our IT department that don't have guns. But to echo TexasGal, I've lately seen a lot of very attractive young women at gun ranges, and just about all of them were excellent shots.

Hmmm that is quite the opposite of everyone I know in East Texas, most here are very pro gun. I attend a University here where I'm about to graduate with a Bachleors in Computer Information Systems and many of the students in the class are very pro gun although several are too lazy or too broke to get their CHL like I did when I turned 21 last year. Also I work at a corporate IT department for a pretty big company here and know over half of my specific department of 20 or so people have their CHL's.

Not sure what opposite you're referring to. The statement I highlighted in red is my guess, and your statement corroborates it. If you're referring to the remark about libertarians, I'm also confused because the fundamental philosophy of libertarianism is incompatible with gun bans, gun grabbing, or weakening the right to self-defense. IOW, an anti-gun libertarian would be like a Christian who doesn't believe in Jesus.

mewalke wrote:

Vol Texan wrote:

mewalke wrote:

VMI77 wrote:To me, ANY bumper sticker would be a warning sign, no matter what it said.

Does this go for NRA stickers in the back window, or something similar? I think there is a difference between having something like a military, NRA, or other non-political organization bumper or window sticker and COEXIST, political stickers, etc... The first group show pride in being part of a certain group, the others often say "I have a need to force other people to hear my opinions because they are better than your opinions."

You should read on past the quoted sentence above, and follow up in his second sentence... He's clarifying the first sentence by focusing on liberal bumper stickers.

VMI77 wrote:When I see a liberal bumper sticker I know I'm dealing with a lost cause.

It's almost like reading a prefatory clause (e.g. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state), followed by an operative clause (e.g. the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.). You cannot get the full meaning from reading only the first portion of the statement made.

I read his whole post and digested it in its entirety. Just because he continued to focus on a subset of the "ALL" in his first statement doesn't rule out everything else. I am simply asking him specifically if he intended to mean "all" or just "all liberal" bumper stickers or some other definition - because the statement is not entirely clear.

I personally do not like having any stickers on my vehicles for various reasons - including the pack of NRA stickers they send me every year. And although I think a lot can be gleamed from the stickers people place on their cars, I don't think all bumper stickers - even those of a different ideology - indicate a person I should necessarily stay clear of.

I'll be more clear. I picked on liberal bumper stickers but I wasn't just alluding to liberal bumper stickers. Let me put it in the form of a question....when I see someone making a political statement with a bumper sticker, I have to wonder why they feel the need to broadcast their politics and why they think they're going to influence anyone to understand or accept their beliefs? They've essentially drawn a line in the philosophical sand before a single word is exchanged. IOW, a bumper sticker seems to be a way of seeking attention, and I'm wary of people who are seeking attention.

When the bumper sticker is extraordinarily idiotic, like "Coexist," it's also a pretty good bet the person is a ideologue that is incapable of rational discussion. It the sticker expresses an idea I agree with, it doesn't change the nature of the person, but it increases the chances that I might get along with them. For instance, if a bumper sticker says "ban guns," I'm not likely to get along with them; but if it says Molon Labe, I probably will get along with them.

And I do make a distinction between bumper stickers and things like USMC stickers, NRA stickers, Police benevolent association stickers, etc., though I, for various reasons, would not attach one to my own vehicle.

chasfm11 wrote:

VMI77 wrote:To me, ANY bumper sticker would be a warning sign, no matter what it said. When I see a liberal bumper sticker I know I'm dealing with a lost cause. A second warning sign, perhaps even more serious, is the "Maryland connection." OTOH, in my experience, IT people tend to lean towards libertarianism....I don't think there are any people in our IT department that don't have guns. But to echo TexasGal, I've lately seen a lot of very attractive young women at gun ranges, and just about all of them were excellent shots.

Maryland is far from a liberal bastion. While it is true that the Liberals control the State's government, there is a strong movement in Western Maryland to secede because of that. If you ever drive the Eastern Shore area, you will find a lot of red necks and would surprised that you are not in Texas. Those folks have no love for Annapolis politicians.

I learned to sail at the Annapolis Sailing School and charted sailboats out of Rock Hall, sailing to Annapolis and the surrounding area. I believe that, like Chicago, the will of the people is not being carried out because of the rampant corruption. Because of the State's laws (not different than NJ, NY) you won't find a lot of outspoken gun lovers and gun rights advocates there.

For me, a much better warning sign than a bumper sticker was the Lexus.

While I suppose that's true, I was really speaking more to probabilities. For example, I think I would be more likely to encounter an anti-gun attitude from someone in Maryland than someone in Alaska or Wyoming.

mewalke wrote:

VMI77 wrote:To me, ANY bumper sticker would be a warning sign, no matter what it said.

Does this go for NRA stickers in the back window, or something similar? I think there is a difference between having something like a military, NRA, or other non-political organization bumper or window sticker and COEXIST, political stickers, etc... The first group show pride in being part of a certain group, the others often say "I have a need to force other people to hear my opinions because they are better than your opinions."

I agree.

To me, ANY bumper sticker would be a warning sign, no matter what it said. When I see a liberal bumper sticker I know I'm dealing with a lost cause. A second warning sign, perhaps even more serious, is the "Maryland connection." OTOH, in my experience, IT people tend to lean towards libertarianism....I don't think there are any people in our IT department that don't have guns. But to echo TexasGal, I've lately seen a lot of very attractive young women at gun ranges, and just about all of them were excellent shots.