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Heard Andrew Wilkow make a good point on the radio while I was on my way to lunch. They used the same tactics the animal rights advocates use. The only time the animal rights advocates get prosecuted is on trespassing charges...which don't apply in this case.

He also pointed out the apoplectic fits into which the left would fly at the sight of videos depicting a needle puncturing the brain of a baby animal and killing it in the womb.

Furthermore, both he and the Tennessee Congresswoman he had on as guest pointed out that PP is not being prosecuted and there is plenty of evidence that they violated the law by performing procedures that were medically unnecessary and were used only to preserve body parts....which is illegal.

But then it's been pretty clear this past decade or two that the law doesn't apply to those on the left.

goose wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

goose wrote:I do not believe that it is illegal for police officers to do this. I could be wrong. If it is shown that the video shooters fraudulently filled out and filed papers with the federal government, they broke laws. I am open to more discussion on that but it seems like we are comparing apples and oranges. Of note, I already clarified that if we see cops violating our laws, I absolutely, absolutely want them investigated and punished as warranted. If the video shooters broke no laws, if our system is just, we will find out shortly (well, as shortly as the sloth-like legal system allows).

OK, so invoke Godwin's law, but everything Hitler did was within the law. So what? As beings with free will we must judge the law. It shouldn't be a crime to lie to the government. Period. The police should not get a pass for any conduct that would be a crime for a citizen. I don't know what "fraudulently filled out papers means." They lied on a form? If by deception they gained materially then it may be fraud. If they simply lied to a government that lies regularly to us and uses lies subjugate and control us then their integrity is intact.

"If our system is just..." That is easily answered: it isn't. See General Petraeus, Hillary and Bill Clinton, John Corazine, Barrack Obama, et al.

So what is next? If we literally have zero faith in the system we should either revolt, go off grid, or leave right? I just expressed the opinion that if we are going to be "in the game," we should hold ourselves to a higher standard so as to be beacon for others to see. If we are going to discuss, what is IMO, a gorilla war on a subjugating government then that is a separate discussion. I have more faith in our system than that. Perfect? Nope. Best I can see for miles and miles and miles? Yep.

I don't know what's next...I only know what I see around me right now. I can make some educated guesses about where that will lead.

I don't entirely disagree about holding ourselves to a higher standard. However, the deck is stacked against us. At some point when you continue to play by rules that aren't even recognized by your opponent you're no longer in the game, you're not even on the field. I'm not leaving, and I wouldn't leave even if there was some place to go.

I'm going off grid as much as possible but at this point, that's not a lot. At this point any practical "revolt" is limited to the states standing up to the federal government. For example, if the feds pass a law to confiscate guns, states like Texas pass a law refusing to recognize or enforce that law, just like other states allow sanctuary cities and don't enforce marijuana laws. That is the only peaceful means of opposition to tyranny remaining to us.

goose wrote:I do not believe that it is illegal for police officers to do this. I could be wrong. If it is shown that the video shooters fraudulently filled out and filed papers with the federal government, they broke laws. I am open to more discussion on that but it seems like we are comparing apples and oranges. Of note, I already clarified that if we see cops violating our laws, I absolutely, absolutely want them investigated and punished as warranted. If the video shooters broke no laws, if our system is just, we will find out shortly (well, as shortly as the sloth-like legal system allows).

OK, so invoke Godwin's law, but everything Hitler did was within the law. So what? As beings with free will we must judge the law. It shouldn't be a crime to lie to the government. Period. The police should not get a pass for any conduct that would be a crime for a citizen. I don't know what "fraudulently filled out papers means." They lied on a form? If by deception they gained materially then it may be fraud. If they simply lied to a government that lies regularly to us and uses lies subjugate and control us then their integrity is intact.

"If our system is just..." That is easily answered: it isn't. See General Petraeus, Hillary and Bill Clinton, John Corazine, Barrack Obama, et al.

Whether they broke the law or not is irrelevant to the indictment. The purpose is to bankrupt them with a trial. The DA may want a conviction for the record but mere bankruptcy will still be a win. If the left had used the exact same tactics to go after a pro-life group there would be no indictment.