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McKnife wrote:
Further, I'm not the one offering my unwelcome and inaccurate opinions at the range, I leave that to others.
I know what you mean... I went to the range today as a personal birthday present. I typically bring some other folks with me because I love to spread the enjoyment of firearms and the company of fellow shooters. But today, I wanted to sight in my AR and enjoy time alone with my baby. I did not seek out opinions of any kind, but I still got 6 or 7 people that walk over and ask the same questions with the same reponses.

I get sick of the same tall-tales... for instance, one individual and his buddy stood behind me while I shot, which made me uncomfortable. I tried to ignore it. I shoot a few times and get up to 'rest.' He says "You're pretty good with that thing." I say "Thanks... I like it, it does what I need it to." He than says "Just don't take it to war, it don't kill nothin'. -- I was nice. I didn't say anything.

Sapper, the best answer I can give is that you should save some of your gun money and find yourself 20 acres or so out in the country where you can set up a private range.
I could not agree more. My goal is to get land soon! I was only at the range today for about 2 hours... I heard about 5 muzzle direction warnings over the intercom and 1 escort off the range for rapid fire. Public ranges can be scary sometimes.

Too true Mcknife. Here's an axiom I've formulated based upon decades of observation:

"The propensity of an individual to offer their opinion on a given subject is inversely proportional to their actual knowledge of that subject."

Another issue I have with other shooters is their careless use of nomenclature. Case in point: what would your opinion of someone be if you asked them what kind of car they owned and they answered,
"V"
This basically is what happened to me at a local rifle range last Tuesday when I saw a gent at another bench shooting a cool little Cavalry carbine of late 19th Century vintage that I wasn't familiar with. (Remember my earlier post regarding being a 1 percenter?) I asked him what kind of rifle was he shooting and received this reply,
"6.5"
O.K. first off, I didn't ask him what calibre his rifle was, I asked him what kind of rifle it was. Moisin-Nagant? Mauser? Steyr? Lebel? And if I did ask him what calibre it was chambered in I would have expected the full and complete cartridge designation as there about half a dozen European military cartridges from that era with a 6.5mm diameter bullet. Turns out it was a Swedish Mauser in 6.5X55 with a very interesting "range card" on the stock to allow the shooter to compensate for the different ballistics of the newer Spitzer bullet over the original round nose loaded ammunition. Too cool.
Some may think I'm anal about such things, (O.K., I admit it, I'm anal) but I find that people who are sloppy about their use of terminology are usually sloppy about other things, such as consideration of others and safety.
Let me know when you get your land, I don't make dumb-ass comments to strangers and I'm very safety oriented.

Derek.

sapper740

Tregs wrote:Try NTSA (North Texas Shooting Association, I think) just north of Denton. I don't know their specific rules on the things you mention below, but they are a club so their rules may vary from the public ranges.

Thanks Tregs, I looked them up online and NTSA might just be the ticket. I'll physically check out the facilities next week and if it looks good, I'll get on their waiting list.

Derek.

sapper740

The Annoyed Man wrote:The OP was post #2 for sapper740. Here is post #1 (viewtopic.php?f=10&t=31526&p=423757#p423757" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;):
sapper740 wrote:I find that a lot of small people are attracted to positions of authority, not to better the venue they are associated with, but to be able to exert some control, finally, over someone else. Some RO's (Range Officers) are no different than the Hall Monitor we all used to hate in High school or the president of the Home Owner's Association where we now live. Their creed is that it's better to be opinionated than educated. I've met some really stupid RO's who border on the dangerous e.g., my first (and only) visit to one indoor range was loudly interrupted as I proceeded to the firing line with my N frame S&W's muzzle pointing up. I was rudely told that they didn't want any holes in the ceiling so they enforced a muzzle down rule. I attempted to point out that a .429" hole in the ceiling was a lot better than a ricochet off the hard concrete floor to no avail. I refused to obey what I considered an "Illegal Command" and was ejected from the range. Their loss.
The other less dangerous but more annoying type I encounter frequently is everyone's nemesis, the self -appointed "Expert". I take great issue with anyone who calls themselves a firearms expert. In fact, I will go so far as to say there is no such thing. Why? The subject is too vast for any one man (or woman) to grasp in it's entirety. My avocation, and sometimes vocation has spanned some 43 years of experience with firearms, both military and civilian. I consider myself a One Percenter. What I mean by that is that I now know 1% of all the firearms knowledge there is to know. Yes, you heard me correctly, 1%. And that is about 1,000 times more than the average shooter you will encounter at the range. So the next time you have Joe the Firearms expert come up to you at the range, ask him what a Huot or a Blish device is. If he can't answer those questions, tell him thanks but no thanks.

Y'all have a happy Fourth!
Dude, you sound terminally angry, and I seriously doubt you'll ever find a range that will put up with that kind of truculence toward the range management and arrogance toward their other patrons - particularly since you apparently know more than anybody but God.

Arrogant? Perhaps, Truculent? No. I can and do follow rules as they are set out. However, as any good soldier will, I question rules and limitations that serve no useful purpose and are most likely based upon someone's prejudices rather than common sense. Further, I'm not the one offering my unwelcome and inaccurate opinions at the range, I leave that to others.

Derek.

sapper740

MoJo wrote:

He would be escorted off our club's range by the Sheriff's Department.

Escorted off for doing what? Nothing I suggested I should be able to do at a rifle range is illegal. I simply feel it's important to be proficient with my firearms and to gain said proficiency requires firing them from several positions. I don't take a bench when I go hunting and the chance of being attacked by thugs while at a bench is slim.

Derek.

sapper740

I'm looking for a rifle range near Denton County where I can shoot my various rifles from 5.56 NATO to .50 BMG from other than a bench. I've never shot a big game animal or a bad actor from a bench...it's always been either prone, sitting or off-hand. The two rifle ranges I've been to since I moved to Texas only allow shooting from a bench, no ball ammo, no rapid fire, no .50 BMG...blah! blah! blah! How the heck do you practice double taps? Recently, I asked to at least be able to test fire my new .50 with BLANKS. Nope, no way. HUH? I reenact WWII and Vietnam so I have different weapons than most, like a replica M79 that fires 12 gauge Bird Bangers. You'd think they'd at least let me fire that right? I mean, it shoots a little firecracker about 100 feet. Nope again! I don't know if those people are inable to think outside of the box or if it's the old black rifle prejudice rearing it's ugly head, in any event, does anyone know of a non-anal range where a VERY experienced Veteran, R.O., Rifle Team member, Black Badge holder, Match Director, fired 100's of thousands rounds in his life kind of guy can practice some real life situations?

Derek.

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