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flb_78 wrote:My instruction course was taught by a man who helped write the CHL laws. The definition of concealed is out of view from a reasonable person. I would hope that if I were to be pulled over and the officer walked up and saw my gun, he would then ask if I had a license for it. I would then expect him to take control of my gun and place it on the roof of the vehicle. I would hope he would not act like a actor from "COPS" and scream "GUN!!!!" and then try to manhandle me to the ground.

My CHL instructor explained that its usually better to not to throw surprises at an LEO during a traffic stop or other encounter. That is why if stopped I will present my license and CHL, and let him ask if I'm carrying. Its concidered bad form to pronounce "I have a Gun!" catching an officer off guard is likely to to cause some kind of reaction.

I don't know what the proper response for a police officer is when he comes across a motorist with an exposed gun. I do know that cops are sometimes shot as they approach a motorist during a traffic stop. Some could be understandably nervous. A motorist with a handgun on top of the passenger seat or console is potential hazard. I also know I won't like it if the LEO decides its in his self interest to point his handgun between my eyes.

As far as COPS goes aren't these supposed to be factual re-enactments created from police input?

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kw5kw wrote:
The answer is: So the drive in bank teller can't see it and fear for a bank robbery; the same reason that the McDonalds/Wendy's/Jack-In-The-Box, &c. drive through attendant can't see a weapon and fear for a robbery either. Remember that there are a bunch of hoodlums out there that carry for other means than self-protection.

It's a "sheeple" application of the law to placate those who don't like guns and get scared when they see one.

My simple opinion and none other.

I always thought it was about the police officer also. A police officer is gonna get real jumpy if he approaches a vehicle and first thing he sees is a handcannon laying on a console. Concealing the gun gives the officer a chance to access the situation, and the people, without being distracted by a gun. If an officer approaches a vehicle and the first thing he/she sees is a handgun most are gonna draw on you.

I do a lot of driving. sometimes I take two guns others once, most times just one. While Ive carried on my hip for an 8 hour drive, I usually will stick a holstered gun either between the seat and center console, or in the door side panel. A shop rag or hand towel provides additional concealment. If one wants to assure a single handed draw a holster doesn't need to be used. I don't get out of the car without a gun on my hip.

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ForbidInjustice wrote:Everyone on this topic appears rather calm.

Am I the only one who was completely OUTRAGED upon hearing of this new law? Like all of you CHL holders, I paid my dues, $140 to the state and about $100 to take the safety course. I jumped through the rest of the hoops to obtain my CHL and now the state is granting more and more firearm privileges to the non-CHL holders and to the road ragers that have no business carrying a weapon in the first place?

Lacking a better way to put it, it makes the license in my pocket less exclusive. I'm surprised the CHL holders haven't fought back on this issue. People will also argue that any 'bad guys' who tote guns were carrying even before this law was passed, but there DOES exist the class of unstable people who are only carrying now because they legally can. These people are the ones who will draw a weapon and fire, simply because they were cut off or thrown the middle digit on the road. These people shouldn't carry, and had this law not been passed, they wouldn't. I haven't heard of any rise in road rage yet, but I won't relax; it's still early.

Do I make a point at all? Hopefully Texas won't get too out-of-control with the handgun bills.

I know I am not alone on this forum. When I say that the first ammendment is about everyone having the right to Keep and bear arms, and litterally pray daily for the day that a CHL will be unnessassary for every freeman in the United States

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