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ClarkLZeuss wrote:Hi, I've been lurking this thread for a while, and I've been really educated by what ya'll have shared. I, too, am new to CHL, and still haven't "graduated" to keeping one in the pipe yet, though I'm getting closer to that, thanks to you guys. For me, it's not the fear that my gun will accidentally go off, since it's a modern 9mm with all kinds of internal safeties, a thumb safety, and it sits in a form-fitted kydex holster. I've heard some say that as long as I follow the 4 Rules, everything will be fine. But therein lies my mental barrier: my concern is for a lightning quick scenario in which I might forget the rule to keep your finger off the trigger. In a moment of adrenaline, what if I draw my gun and pull the trigger, all in the same motion? So, my concern is for the "mistake" that could be made when adrenaline causes my normal careful approach to go out the window. Any advice?

Empty your gun \, check the barrel , and then check it again... Your draw should consist of clearing leather setting the safety and doind so safely, If you practice enough in just a couple of days your draw should be pretty automatic with out your finger going for the trigger. Practice practice practice. It will be held into muscle memory.
I clear the safety even when I draw a DAO.

NcongruNt wrote: I recall something told to me by (I believe) Lawdog ( http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ), though I may have the source wrong. Anyhow, he decided he'd test the integrity of his 1911 and see what it really took for it to drop the hammer without a finger pulling the trigger. He took his (unloaded, but cocked and locked) 1911, and threw it in the dryer with a load of towels, letting it go for the entire load. At the end, he took out the gun and inspected it. The safety had flicked off sometime during the cycle, but the hammer had never fallen.

The point of the story here is that you need make the deliberate action of putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it for the gun to fire. The towel story aside, if you carry in a holster and maintain proper control of mind and actions, you should not worry about your gun "accidentally" going off. It doesn't happen that way. Follow the 4 rules, and you and those around you will be safe from AD/ND accidents.

A sidepoint point is that manual safeties get knocked off, and need to be checked.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Liberty wrote:2 Cleaning: Inspect the gun carefully be fore cleaning.Make absolutely sure the gun is completely unloaded before disasembly Glocks are particularly worth noting because the trigger must be pulled to disassemble the gun.

That may be true for some models, or for earlier generation pistols, but my wife's third generation G19 does not require pulling the trigger to take down the pistol. I've done it myself a hundred times now - just for practice - and I am confident in stating that it absolutely does not require pulling the trigger to take it down. The slide is retracted about a 1/4", and the two takedown buttons on either side of the side of the frame above the trigger, are pulled downward, releasing the slide/barrel assembly to slide forward off the frame. At no point does your finger have to go anywhere near the trigger.

In any case, your recommendation to make sure the gun is unloaded before cleaning would obviate any safety issues with regard to any pistol, so it's a good practice. I do that with all my pistols before cleaning, regardless of what they are.

Here is an illustrated guide to field stripping a Glock.

I was not aware they had actually fixed that problem. The instructions you posted though state in step 2 that one should pull the trigger.

Carrying without one in the pipe is almost the same as not carrying at all. The gun cannot go off all by itself while holstered, even unholstered something has to pull on the trigger to make it fire. A couple of folks have mentioned that following the 4 safety rules and not handling the unholstered loaded gun unnecessarily is good advice. There are two actions that have got Glock owners in trouble.
1 Holstering: If you holster a gun do it deliberately and carefully making sure that there is no clothing or holster parts that could snag the trigger.

2 Cleaning: Inspect the gun carefully be fore cleaning.Make absolutely sure the gun is completely unloaded before disasembly Glocks are particularly worth noting because the trigger must be pulled to disassemble the gun.

If you are uncomfortable carrying a gun because it doesn't have a safety, you might consider getting rid of the Glock and getting a gun that has a real safety. THere are lots of 1911s or DA/SA to choose from.