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gemini wrote: So, no evidence, link, or reference to back up anything you posted regarding the possible discharge of a 1911 when dropped?
Interesting. California tests? The manufacturers perform the test at their own expense. Not all require a FP safety. Some are approved with only a titanium FP and a heavy duty FP spring. As of Jan 1,2007 I believe Ca. also requires a magazine disconnect/magazine safety, loaded chamber indicator on any new guns to be added to the "approved" list. Guns already on the list can stay provided the manufacturer continues to pay the fee. Rediculous. There are around 175 pages of California gun law, their state is bankrupt, 56% of the population wants to legalize canabis to add tax money to the states coffers.......like a big bowl of granola...nuts and flakes....
the drop test is about money. I 'm not grinding any axe. I just wanted to know what material, references or information you had studied to form your opinion. I'm done.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about? I simply stated that it could happen and that it did happen? One example has been posted in this forum and there were links posted. I don't believe I made any claims that were a stretch or couldn't be accepted as fact.
I also don't understand what California being bankrupt or opinions about the absurdity of their laws have any thing to do with the fact that certain guns can go of if dropped. My reference had nothing to do with sanity of the place or the reasonableness of their laws. Just that certain guns have gone bang You ask me to prove my claims, but I see nothing that I've posted that should require any more proof than whats already been posted. What claim am I supposed to prove? That certain 1911s could possibly go off if dropped?

I believe that you may be misreading my statements as something far more argumentative or profound than anything I intended to post. If my comments were interpeted as an attack on the holey 1911 it wasn't intended in that way. Either that you believe that an old style 70 series cant go off if dropped and that the guy posting his experiance is a liar. If you found my modest claims offensive, I'm truly sorry I didn't intend to be offensive. I thought I was bringing attention to something almost any gun owner was aware of.

gemini wrote:

Liberty wrote: The RIA incident should be convincing enough evidence of my claim, which wasn't outragous or particularly revealing. California bans certain 1911s because of this issue. It is a 100 year old design after all and the limitations should be pretty obvious.

I know, I know we are not supposed to speak of 1911 or Glock frailties. But shucks .. They ain't perfect. Haven't seen the perfect hand gun yet! If I ever find it I probably couldn't afford it anyway.

The incident with the RIA appears to be caused by a FP spring that was too short. ...
Again, I'm just looking for evidence to back up your original
statement of fact or opinion.[/b]

I have no ax to grind and no desire to prove or disprove that it could happen, I was just reminding folks that it has been reported on this forum.
As far as I can tell the RIA spring in question was not worn, nor different than the factory specs, or from how it was manufactured. .. It was shorter than a springfield 1911, but there is no indication that it differed from original RIA Specs. One can choose to believe what is reported as they wish. I tend to believe a respected member of this forum that it happened as he explained it. Some people believe in the Easter bunny, but its not my responsibility to convince them otherwise. I do know the state of California drop tests handguns, and some 1911s and other guns don't pass their tests. I don't know which guns failed or passed It really doesn't matter to me.

gemini wrote:
I understood the RIA incident. I also understood the solution. I also think a FP safety is not necessary. A properly maintained and mechanically sound 1911 is necessary. I was looking for additional reports of incidents involving 1911's being dropped and discharging.
Liberty wrote: "This is not true, 1911s without a firing pin block can potentially go bang when dropped. This includes the original design 1911s, and ......." Just trying to find the evidence for this statement.

The RIA incident should be convincing enough evidence of my claim, which wasn't outragous or particularly revealing. California bans certain 1911s because of this issue. It is a 100 year old design after all and the limitations should be pretty obvious.

I know, I know we are not supposed to speak of 1911 or Glock frailties. But shucks .. They ain't perfect. Haven't seen the perfect hand gun yet! If I ever find it I probably couldn't afford it anyway.

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The small-caliber gun fired when it hit the floor, and the shot went through Bliss' lower left thigh. She was taken to Tampa General Hospital with minor injuries, according to a release from Tampa police.

It apparently wasn't a .45 1911.

dicion wrote: Then again, if it was a 1911 instead of some piece of BT, it would require both the trigger AND the grip safety to be pressed, in opposite directions of eachother, to fire, not to mention the thumb safety...

I'm not sayin'.. I'm just sayin.

This is not true, 1911s without a firing pin block can potentially go bang when dropped. This includes the original design 1911s, and There was a thread about a Rock Island Armory 1911 discharging in this forum