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Paladin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:44 pm

74novaman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:31 pm
What I believe competition does fantastically well is teach you how to do "stuff" under pressure. A timer and a bunch of people watching you is not "someone is trying to kill me" stress, but it is stress. Anyone who has shot more than one match likely experienced the same thing I did: the stress does not go away, but the amount of your mind it occupies and the effects it has on your ability to perform diminishes significantly the more you expose yourself to it. I've had a lot of repetitions under the most stress I can artificially create to 1) draw 2) get sights on target 3)make good hits 4) move with a loaded gun 5)handle malfunctions 6) figure out what to do next when things don't go to plan.

Competition is stress inoculation. Being able to think, move and work while stressed is pretty darn valuable for self defense.

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So no, competition won't teach you how to gunfight. But it will make you better at working and thinking under stress, which is why I believe competition is an incredibly valuable resource for anyone who carries a gun for self defense.

74novaman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:31 pm
What I believe competition does fantastically well is teach you how to do "stuff" under pressure. A timer and a bunch of people watching you is not "someone is trying to kill me" stress, but it is stress. Anyone who has shot more than one match likely experienced the same thing I did: the stress does not go away, but the amount of your mind it occupies and the effects it has on your ability to perform diminishes significantly the more you expose yourself to it. I've had a lot of repetitions under the most stress I can artificially create to 1) draw 2) get sights on target 3)make good hits 4) move with a loaded gun 5)handle malfunctions 6) figure out what to do next when things don't go to plan.

Competition is stress inoculation. Being able to think, move and work while stressed is pretty darn valuable for self defense.

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So no, competition won't teach you how to gunfight. But it will make you better at working and thinking under stress, which is why I believe competition is an incredibly valuable resource for anyone who carries a gun for self defense.

flechero wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:39 am

Paladin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:58 am There could be a fair argument than unless you are trying to get a CNS hit, a 5 inch circle is too small. Unless your goal is a CNS hit, 6-or-8 inches is the real world standard...

I understand your point... and agree with not moving to 20 yds for challenge, but rather keeping targets smaller/realistic. But when you add real world adrenaline & stress into it and 5" is still probably too large. Real world standards often include doing the drill while taking incoming rounds.

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:12 am

Paladin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:58 am <Snip>
Its a weakness I see in "practical shooting" competitions... Hitting the IDPA 8 inch zero down at 3 yards is easy... so they take distances out to 20 yards for a challenge... when participants would be better served spending their most of their time shooting at 7 yards or less... because that's where most of the actual defense shootings take place.

I think of it like this. If I'm shooting someone who is more than 7 yards from me, there are probably better options (than shooting) to end the encounter. So I generally would not expect a need to shoot someone who is farther away.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:40 am

Paladin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:00 pm

Grayling813 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:55 pm 3x5 index card instead of the plate

To simulate a T-box?

Aim small, miss small.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:51 pm I have done this drill before. Some ranges in my area require 2 seconds in between each shot, making it hard to do. But I have found this drill very useful.

Grayling813 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:55 pm 3x5 index card instead of the plate