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K5GU wrote: Then clearly the proficiency requirements are enough to comply with all laws and requirements as people are getting issued CHLs on a daily basis. I didn't know CHL law or proficiency was mentioned in the Texas Constitution, so I am not sure how any requirements for CHL could be made to stay in "compliance" with such.

Article 1, Sec. 23. RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. Every citizen shall have
the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but
the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with
a view to prevent crime.[/quote]

Still not seeing anything about proficiency in there.

K5GU wrote: Thanks for clarifying that. I have not done research on untested folks in states without CHL requirements such as we have in Texas. In this thread, I'm not implying anything. I will express my opinions but not for the purpose of altering how anyone else thinks. This thread is meant, as the caption says, to contain a dialog of thoughts folks might have regarding the current Texas CHL proficiency requirements. If you want a thread to discuss something else, then by all means, start a new thread.

If the question is as you stated:

I think in the context of CHL class, one of the reasons you're taking the test is to show you're proficient enough for getting the instructor(s) to sign off on your application, and whether or not the handgun proficiency requirements are sufficient enough to meet the instructor's (and the DPS) law requirements to do that while also staying in compliance with the Texas Constitution.

Then clearly the proficiency requirements are enough to comply with all laws and requirements as people are getting issued CHLs on a daily basis. I didn't know CHL law or proficiency was mentioned in the Texas Constitution, so I am not sure how any requirements for CHL could be made to stay in "compliance" with such.

K5GU wrote:

steveincowtown wrote:

K5GU wrote: Yes, and I love freedom and liberty too. Just want to stay alive to enjoy it!

I'll use the tip hat here so you know I am being polite.




Could you site any examples of problems with proficiency in any of the states that require no CHL or "formal" training? With as liberal as the news media is these days they should be easy to find.

This topic is about Texas CHL proficiency test, not unlicensed handgun proficiency in other states. Or am I misunderstanding your post?

By your quote above the implication was that we need good proficiency testing so that you don't get shot by some untrained CHL holder. If this is what you meant to imply, I was asking that you show examples of "untested" folks becoming in an issue in the many states that either do not require a CHL, or do not required any "proficiency testing" for their CHL.

K5GU wrote: Yes, and I love freedom and liberty too. Just want to stay alive to enjoy it!

I'll use the tip hat here so you know I am being polite.




Could you site any examples of problems with proficiency in any of the states that require no CHL or "formal" training? With as liberal as the news media is these days they should be easy to find.

TVGuy wrote: The safety and proficiency levels of MANY people with CHLs is extremely low.

As they are with some LEOs as well (who are trained).

My value set tells me Freedom and Liberty are more important than legislating to the lowest common denominator.

100% sufficient. In the states where no CHL is required and proficiency test is required there has zero problems relating to "proficiency."

The Texas CHL course will not make you a student of the law or a good shot. Participating in forums like this, keeping up on pending legislation, and practicing often at the range and at home will. The odds that you will ever use your weapon are slim, and the statistics show that if you do have to use it it will be a very close range. Plinking a few round done range, and a stationary target, which is at eye level, which you are shooting under very little pressure, while standing in the perfect position, is in no way representative of a real world scenario.