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by bcdudley
Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:15 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What really counts as notice
Replies: 42
Views: 5153

Re: What really counts as notice

By State of Texas, it was implying chl or other forms of authorization. The other big one was director level and above can authorize. I take that to mean that I can authorize myself.
by bcdudley
Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:11 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What really counts as notice
Replies: 42
Views: 5153

Re: What really counts as notice

Yes, verbal and second hand to me, however it was through my chain of command.
by bcdudley
Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:48 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What really counts as notice
Replies: 42
Views: 5153

Re: What really counts as notice

So some more information I found out today. HR has been pushing to have this added as policy for a while now, however the owners have been saying no. HR is claiming it is an insurance issue, however they don't have anything in writing, just hearsay. Until the owner see's something, it will not be policy. The CEO's response on this was, "you cannot bring a weapon into the company unless you have authorization. Authorization can come from directors or above in the company or the state of Texas. Open carry is not appropriate for the type of office space we are in so will not be allowed.", paraphrased and second hand, but from an authoritative source.
To me, that is a pretty clear message.
by bcdudley
Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:33 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What really counts as notice
Replies: 42
Views: 5153

Re: What really counts as notice

"C" level as in an executive officer of the company. I have discussed this with him previously and he stated that it is not in the employee handbook for the simple reason that it is not company policy. The company is very conservative and right leaning. In this case, it is just the hr manager expressing her opinion and wanting it to be policy.
As far as her contacting building management and getting them to post signage, I find that unlikely. This is a large office complex with hundreds of tenants as well as being open to the public.
by bcdudley
Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:51 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What really counts as notice
Replies: 42
Views: 5153

Re: What really counts as notice

I was more concerned over the fact that she said both the building and the company prohibit carry even though people above her pay grade seemingly endorse it. What gives a person the authority to give notice to someone else. If anybody can do so, does that mean that an hourly employee can come in on their first day and put the entire company on notice? Extreme example I know, but trying to make a point and start a discussion.
by bcdudley
Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:31 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What really counts as notice
Replies: 42
Views: 5153

What really counts as notice

So today I was in a conversation with an HR manager at work. We were discussing the fact that a new employee handbook was coming out in January. The manager mentioned that she was putting something in the manual regarding open carry in the office. We started talking about that a little and she then told me that the building actually prohibits CHL carry as well as the company does not allow it.
I know for a fact that my boss, a "C" level person, carries every day. I also know than numerous other high level people including the CEO and President carry as I have been shooting with them at lunch a few times. I am a director level position so technically I outrank the HR manager, she has however been there much longer.
The current employee manual does not contain any language about carrying weapons being prohibited and it is my understanding that was intentional. The building I am in is the an office space attached to a major public shopping area with public access. There is no signage at all, not a 30.06, not even a gun busters sign prohibiting glocks.

So would this count as notice. I don't think so, but wanted to get some other opinions. My opinion is that she is not authorized to make that statement without the owners consent.

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