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by Jumping Frog
Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:01 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing
Replies: 127
Views: 21248

Re: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing

What we do about that threat is up to the individual...We can be passive, creative, innovative, or whatever moniker you want to hang on your approach to the matter...
We are 100% in agreement here. In that regard, I've done more than some people, less than others. I've donated money, spoken with politicians, responded to "calls for action" via email, voice, and snail mail, testified in front of legislative committees, held protest signs in front of state houses and newspapers, and joined in open carry marches.

However, the most important one is my mind is acting as an ambassador for the gun culture in my everyday life. The only true way to safeguard our rights is to maintain a solid majority of voters supporting the Second Amendment, and those hearts and minds are convinced one person at a time.
by Jumping Frog
Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:02 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing
Replies: 127
Views: 21248

Re: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing

stevie_d_64 wrote:I can dig it...But why did we lose the right to keep and bear arms in the first place??? So that we could, years later, politically revive our original right to keep and bear arms, just because we wanted too???

I'm not denegrating the effort to get back this capability, I have always had that nagging little voice in the back of my head telling me "why did we lose it in the first place", and why a successful fight to fend off such an un-Constitutional effort not made???
You should google the "racist roots of gun control" and spend some time reading.

The first gun control laws were all aimed at disarming minority segments. In parts of the South, the portion of the population with the mentality that had "colored-only" and "whites-only" lunch counters also didn't want to be repressing a population who happened to be armed. In the north, for example, the Sullivan Law in NYC was aimed at the Jewish and Italian immigrants by the existing thugs in office who were predominantly Irish. Prior to 1960, most convictions for carrying illegal weapons were blacks, while ordinary law-abiding white citizens were virtually never charged (unless they were also committing other illegal acts at the same time, like robbery).

When the gun control movement gained steam in the 1960's, that is when all these existing laws started getting applied to a wider audience. Now you could be that middle-aged white barbershop owner who played poker with the local JP, yet still find yourself facing a weapons charge.

It was no different than now in this sense. The Ruling Class now certainly isn't going to charge that TV guy Gregory for the illegal magazine in Washington DC, or charge other members of the Ruling Class. These laws as aimed at controlling the masses. When the original gun control laws were passed, they were also passed with the intention of the Ruling Class exerting control over the "unwashed masses".
by Jumping Frog
Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:21 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing
Replies: 127
Views: 21248

Re: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing

lbuehler325 wrote:
Jumping Frog wrote:
stevie_d_64 wrote:
lbuehler325 wrote:Once we give up a freedom, there's no getting it back.
BINGO!!!
Shall-issue concealed carry in 44 states would contradict that notion.

It is always worth fighting for liberty. I do agree it is preferable to keep a right than have to win it back.
Concealed Carry permits, period, are an example of the erosion of our 2A rights.
So is the glass half full or the glass half empty?

Your statement was "Once we give up a freedom, there's no getting it back." I was addressing that statement, and only that statement, as being defeatist and inaccurate.

Personally, I support the notion of Constitutional Carry. But one also has to recognize that before shall-issue concealed carry, there was no right to carry at all in most of those states. So instead of looking at concealed carry as an erosion of our rights, I look at concealed carry as substantial progress in the war to win back the rights that have long been lost.

You can't honestly be saying you would rather go back to the years before concealed carry in Texas when there was no legal way for an ordinary citizen to carry a handgun?
by Jumping Frog
Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:15 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing
Replies: 127
Views: 21248

Re: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing

stevie_d_64 wrote:I believe what is being inferred to here is the notion that "doing something" whether it is right or wrong, just to appease public sentiment, whether they (general non-gun owning public) understand the issue or not, compromising for appearances sake is not something I support...

Yes, having 44 states on the "shall issue" column is a good thing, but that is not what this particular discussion is about...
I never expressed support for universal background checks. I simply addressed the statements that "Once we give up a freedom, there's no getting it back."
by Jumping Frog
Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:36 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing
Replies: 127
Views: 21248

Re: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing

stevie_d_64 wrote:
lbuehler325 wrote:Once we give up a freedom, there's no getting it back.
BINGO!!!
Shall-issue concealed carry in 44 states would contradict that notion.

It is always worth fighting for liberty. I do agree it is preferable to keep a right than have to win it back.
by Jumping Frog
Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:21 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing
Replies: 127
Views: 21248

Re: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing

Gordie Howe wrote:The NRA decided a long time ago that they would support rifle ownership mainly and abandon handguns and concealed carry licenses. Now with the focus on military looking or "tactial" rifles and handguns; they are offering them up as well.
It isn't true, just stop it for goodness sake!

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