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by wrt45
Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL presented as 2nd ID - it was a first for me :)
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Re: CHL presented as 2nd ID - it was a first for me :)

txinvestigator wrote:
wrt45 wrote: The relevant text comes from CFR 39, Ch 1, Part 232.1:

(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.
CFR is the Code of Federal Regulations. However, looking further down the regulation, we see the following:

.........SNIP....................

If one answers "no" to all four questions, it seems that one falls within the exception to the federal ban on carrying in a federal facility. The answer to the first three questions seeks to resolve whether one is engaged in the "lawful carrying" of a firearm. The answer to the final question seeks to resolve whether one is carrying "incident to ... lawful purposes."

It is important to note that the term "Federal facility" does not include a federal court facility. Even with a valid concealed weapon or handgun license, it is a federal offense to bring a firearm into a federal court facility. Under this statute, the only persons who may lawfully carry in a federal court facility are federal, state, or local law enforcement officers on official duty, or a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if authorized to possess the firearm.[/u]
Thats what I really like about this board........ask a question or make a statement and you get all kinds of input, but not a lot of opinions without support. You get the whole nine yards...........

I think this is pretty close to the conversations I recall when the post office question came up in my first instructor's school.

Its fascinating reading and I enjoy the info and the debate, but in the end I'll stand by what I wrote at first: sounds like a test case in the making, and I don't want to be the test.............
by wrt45
Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:37 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL presented as 2nd ID - it was a first for me :)
Replies: 22
Views: 6134

Re: CHL presented as 2nd ID - it was a first for me :)

txinvestigator wrote:
KBCraig wrote:
GrillKing wrote:
Bubba wrote:While at the local Post Office to rent a P.O. Box (yes, I left my gun in the truck)
I thought even leaving your gun in your vehicle in the parking lot was a no-no. It's still federally controlled property. In my CHL class, we were told, don't even go on the parking lot or the drive through drop box lane with your weapon. It's a violation. It has nothing to do with the building, it's the entire property. Anyone know different?
Not unless they've posted the parking lot with the relevant federal statute.

The federal law requires notice to be posted to be effective. My PO doesn't have any kind of signage at the door, much less the parking lot.

Kevin
I wonder where your instructor received his information. It is not part of the DPS instructor training......
It was definitely a part of my first instructor's school, and was discussed at some length. I can't recall if it has been mentioned in any of the renewal schools.

The relevant text comes from CFR 39, Ch 1, Part 232.1:

(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

As I recall the discussion, it centered on the "official purpose" phrase and whether or not a CHL could be argued for under those terms. There is nothing there about posting requirements, although I have seen a little flyer in the post offices I use. The flyer has always been on the bulletin board along with about a thousand other notices.

At best, its another of those test cases.

I have talked about this with all my classes. Its also referenced on page 54 of the Texas Concealed Handgun License Training manual put out by the Texas Concealed Handgun Association.

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