Nope. Wrong. If he is going directly enroute from his home to his vehicle, he is in compliance with TPC 46.02, and a LEO would have a hard time making a case stick for concealing his firearm as described.ex_dsmr wrote:Im sure there will be plenty of people here correct me if im wrong but since the area between your car and your apartment front door is not considered to be your private property I dare say that you have been illegally CC'ing. This very thing came up in our discussion on what did and did not constitute "private property" and "under your control" in my class. Since you do not/can not own the "commons" area it is considered "public".2crazy2carry wrote:/SNIP Over the weekend I have been exercising the castle doctrine and I carry the gun to the car and then back inside my home. I dont ccw in public i just carry it in the car.
Saturday I get back to the apartment with the fiancee and i am carrying the gun IWB at 4 oclock to take it back inside with me./SNIP
/SNIP Then I just got my stuff together and quickly headed into the apartment building. /SNIP
Now, the argument could be made "well, im carrying it to/from my car" but (IANAL) Youd probably have a hard time convincing LE or a prosecutor when your carrying in in a manner consistant with CC (in other words, in a concealed holster). Its up to you, but id seriously consider using a hard case, pistol rug, or any other number of off-body options to transport that firearm to and from your vehicle.
Id just hate to see you possibly lose your right to CC or even own a firearm on a technicality.
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- Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:00 pm
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Re: What to do if you are "made"?
- Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:12 pm
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Your instructor was wrong. Travelling was clarified by the Motorist Protection Act, and how you can defend yourself was clarified and redefined by Castle Doctrine. Both were part of the 2007 legislative year.
MPA was House Bill 1815
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ill=HB1815" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
MPA text as the bill was enrolled
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... navpanes=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Texas Castle doctrine, senate bill 378
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... Bill=SB378" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Text, as enrolled
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... navpanes=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
DPS has a good little CHL handbook online that has most of the pertienant laws in it.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetFo ... CHL-16.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Its worth studying deeply.
After reading your post, I think this is the exact passage you're looking for:
Its still picking nits, I know. But having a good clear understanding of the actual law and justifications of it sure makes staying out of trouble a whole heap easier. When you throw in carrying a firearm, a whole bunch of new possible penalties arises.
MPA was House Bill 1815
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ill=HB1815" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
MPA text as the bill was enrolled
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... navpanes=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Texas Castle doctrine, senate bill 378
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... Bill=SB378" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Text, as enrolled
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... navpanes=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
DPS has a good little CHL handbook online that has most of the pertienant laws in it.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetFo ... CHL-16.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Its worth studying deeply.
After reading your post, I think this is the exact passage you're looking for:
You could still think of it as travelling, but travelling was removed from the text of the law.PC §46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries
on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the
person is not:(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's
control; or(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle that is owned
by the person or under the person's control.(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly,
or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a
motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's
control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view; or
(2) the person is:
(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor
that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic;
(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section
71.01.
(a-2) For purposes of this section, "premises" includes real property
and a recreational vehicle that is being used as living quarters, regardless
of whether that use is temporary or permanent. In this subsection,
"recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily designed as
temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains temporary living
quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor vehicle. The term
includes a travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home,
and horse trailer with living quarters.
(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this
section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the
offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by
this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.
Its still picking nits, I know. But having a good clear understanding of the actual law and justifications of it sure makes staying out of trouble a whole heap easier. When you throw in carrying a firearm, a whole bunch of new possible penalties arises.
- Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:25 am
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Re: What to do if you are "made"?
2crazy2carry wrote:I got my handgun that i intend to CCW on Nov 12th. Over the weekend I have been exercising the castle doctrine and I carry the gun to the car and then back inside my home. I dont ccw in public i just carry it in the car.
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FYI, you're getting your laws mixed up.
Car carry falls under the Motorist Protection Act, or the "travelling" clause as it used to be called.
TPC 46.02
Car carry doesn't actually give you authorization to defend yourself, it just defines how you can legally carry a handgun.
Castle doctrine is the actual defenses to using force and deadly force for self defense, defense of property, and protection of others.
This is mostly covered under the provisions of TPC 9.01 to TPC 9.63
This is where you find the legal authorizations to defend yourself.
Picking nits, I know, but understanding the laws is the best way to stay on the right side of them.
Meh. It's Texas. He shouldn't have been surprised.In a quick manner but still trying to be casual, I correct the wardrobe malfunction. I then, with i am sure the guiltiest most stupidest face, looked over to the smoker to see if he noticed and sure enough he was staring right at me. His facial expression was almost a shocked and confused look.
- Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:06 am
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Skiprr wrote:I can only say that, in my opinion, small-of-back carry is a mistake. Tactically, SOB is the worst mid-body carry position someone can choose.
Leave SOB to the movie and TV producers.
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Imagine if you're shoved over onto your back in a fight, or even slip and fall, with that large piece of metal between your spine and the ground!
- Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:10 pm
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Re: What to do if you are "made"?
PS:
We hit Bucees today for Icees on the way home from picking the kids up from school. Wind is blowing pretty good, and when I looked at my reflection in the window I realized that it was pressing my shirt into the outline of my 1911
We hit Bucees today for Icees on the way home from picking the kids up from school. Wind is blowing pretty good, and when I looked at my reflection in the window I realized that it was pressing my shirt into the outline of my 1911
- Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:25 am
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Re: What to do if you are "made"?
Define "made".
"Hey, buddy, what's that big bulge under your shirt?" Nothing important. If they push the issue, I'm still not telling them. Not to be rude, but concealed means concealed.
If my shirt rides up and someone comments, I'll apologize and tell them I have a concealed handgun permit and did not intend for my shirt to ride up over it. If they make a big deal, I'll leave. If I can't leave, and they make a stink (like I suspect they're calling the cops), I will call the police.
"Hey, buddy, what's that big bulge under your shirt?" Nothing important. If they push the issue, I'm still not telling them. Not to be rude, but concealed means concealed.
If my shirt rides up and someone comments, I'll apologize and tell them I have a concealed handgun permit and did not intend for my shirt to ride up over it. If they make a big deal, I'll leave. If I can't leave, and they make a stink (like I suspect they're calling the cops), I will call the police.