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by Mithras61
Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:09 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pistol ?
Replies: 69
Views: 12193

Liberty wrote:
Mithras61 wrote:
Stupid wrote:Speaking of reliability, avoid any 1911 style gun. Glock, HK, Sig and Beretta all make great firearms. Before I got into them, I thought jamming was of norm with auto-pistols - yeah, i had a Colt 1991A1.
I've been shooting 1911s for most of my life, and the times when I had problems with jamming, failing to eject or failing to go into battery turned out to be me not doing my part right (like not holding the grip firmly enough, limp wristing, etc.). The design is one of the most reliable around (especially with ball ammo), IMHO.
I think your making Stupids point for him though. If one has to rely on ball ammunition and precise grip then it cant be counted as an uber reliable. I don't think there are many folks that would concider ball ammunition a good general purpose defencive round.

I know many folks have found a particular 1911 and ammo combination reliable enough to trust their lives on, I don't think it can be concidered in the same class as a Glock 9, Rugger P series, or CZs as far as reliability goes. In fact I don't think any gun falls in the same class as Glock when it comes to it reputation for reliability. BTW: I don't particularly like like Glocks and don't own one.
Actually, I'm not making his point. The pistol was not the problem, my handling of it was. That didn't and doesn't make the pistol unreliable. The thing is, if I use those same techniques that cause problems in my 1911 in any other pistol, similar problems ensue. Saying I have to do my part by not limp-wristing it, and using my whole hand to shoot is not the same as saying a precise grip is required.

I will admit revolvers don't have that issue, and I also noted that they had a higher reliability.

As to the number of people who consider ball ammo a good defensive round, I would point out that it is the round selected by the US military prior to the Geneva convention restrictions on ammo, and that poking a .45" diameter hole in someone's torso or head is likely to put them in a hospital or morgue.

I choose hollowpoint because it has less tendency to overpenetrate as much as for reliability or stopping ability. I've tried most of the major brands and some more unusual ones of hollow points and some various other styles as well in my 1911 and never had a problem with any of them that was mechanical or ammo specific in nature, so in MY 1911, I would happily carry any commercial ammo (hollow point, ball, wadcutter or whatever) with confidence. I consider that pistol to be 100% reliable. I'll admit I've only put about 4000 rounds through it so far, but the only issues I've had had to do with my mishandling of it, not the mechanics of pistol & ammo (e.g. - no rounds jamming on the feed ramp, no failure to extract/eject because of mechanical or ammunition, no issues with brass splitting or head separation, etc.).
by Mithras61
Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:06 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pistol ?
Replies: 69
Views: 12193

Limp-wristing is allowing your wrist to snap up & backwards instead of holding it straight & stiff. I causes your wrist to absorb some of the recoil instead of allowing the pistol to use the full recoil to eject the spent brass & load the next round.

I've seen similar effects caused by not having a firm grip on the pistol with the lower fingers of the shooting hand, especially when shooting one-handed.
by Mithras61
Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:19 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pistol ?
Replies: 69
Views: 12193

Stupid wrote:Speaking of reliability, avoid any 1911 style gun. Glock, HK, Sig and Beretta all make great firearms. Before I got into them, I thought jamming was of norm with auto-pistols - yeah, i had a Colt 1991A1.
I've been shooting 1911s for most of my life, and the times when I had problems with jamming, failing to eject or failing to go into battery turned out to be me not doing my part right (like not holding the grip firmly enough, limp wristing, etc.). The design is one of the most reliable around (especially with ball ammo), IMHO.

I've had more problems with my Ruger 22/45 than with anything else. It seems to have issues ranging from failure to eject to refusing to feed the second round out of one of my two magazines if it is fully loaded. I haven't figured out yet what the problem is, but I will (it may not like the Federal American Eagle ammo I've been using).

I don't shoot Glocks. I don't like the way they fit my hand & the angle I have to hold my wrist to shoot is uncomfortable for me (I broke both my wrists when I was young & lost some flexibility in them). I don't have any knowledge of unreliability issues with them.

I think the most reliable form of hand-size firearm is a revolver, followed by long standing pistol designs with many years of testing behind them (e.g. - 1911s, Glocks, Sigs, etc.), but that is also just my opinion. One of the benefits of the free market is that unreliable designs tend to not last.

As for THE most reliable firearm, I don't believe there is any such thing, and that the OP will have to try a few of the more popular models to find what he likes and what works reliably for him.

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