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My cousin and his wife relayed an experience to me when I saw them on Thanskgiving. They were stopped for 5 mph over (North Texas area), and my cousin was carrying under CHL and duly handed over DL and CHL. The LEO disarmed him, unloaded the firearm, unloaded the magazine, disassembled the firearm, and placed the individual pieces (slide, frame, barrel, recoil spring assembly) on different parts of the vehicle. My cousin was instructed that he could reassemble the weapon after the officer left. My other cousin's husband, who was a detective for years, was livid when he heard the story.

57Coastie, thanks for making that more clear to me.

gigag04, forgive me for being a bit prickly. It had been a long day. Surely you can see how your comment (and tex's followup clarification) could be construed as condescending. It would only be fair turn-around to point out that you stretched and twisted my comment to somehow mean I viewed you as an extreme facist oppressionist.

I can see your point about law officers receiving sabre rattling letters frequently. Perhaps a formal complaint would be more conducive? From your perspective as an officer, what would be the most conducive response?

Back to the question, I would argue that disarming an individual poses a much higher safety risk to all involved than letting well-enough alone. A gun in its holster or in the vehicle of a licensed and background-checked individual isn't going to just spontaneously go off. However, once you put that same weapon into human hands, the chance of an accidental discharge skyrockets. Especially when the officer taking the weapon may be unfamiliar with its particular make.

Another thing to consider from an officer's perspective is the act of disarming itself. I can't imagine an officer requesting the CHL holder to disarm themselves and hand over the weapon. If that is the case, they've just proven that they do not consider the CHL holder a safety threat and the disarming was clearly in violation of the spirit of the law. Also, if the officer WAS concerned about safety, why place yourself within arms reach of someone in order to disarm them?

talltex wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:Moooooooooom?

a long drawn out version of the word "Mom"....like a child would use when he wanted her to come make somebody play fair....

So it's childish to attempt to stand for your rights and principles? I must have missed the memo.

My understanding is that without probably cause, it's an illegal search.

I'd ask under what pretense or probable cause are they conducting an illegal search? And then I'd make sure to get the badge number of the officer I dealt with and tell them to expect a letter from my lawyer.