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- by SewTexas
- Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:19 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Poll, PC 30.06 in "Private Businesses"
- Replies: 105
- Views: 15795
JP171 wrote:jnichols2 wrote:JP171 wrote:jnichols2 wrote:JP171 wrote:jnichols2 wrote:steveincowtown wrote:jnichols2 wrote:steveincowtown wrote:#1> Private property rights are not absolute. In both our home and our business we must maintain certain standards that we as the public have decided are needed.
#2> I think a private property owner should be able to ASK anyone, at anytime, to leave their property for any reason.
#3> I don't think that it should be an offense to just enter any ones business, doing anything, without first being asked to leave. In other words, why do we have a sign that criminalizes trespass by a CHL with no other notice than just that sign? Think about how ridiculous it would seem if we attached the same standards to any other activity?
"Is this 911"
"Yes, it is."
" I need to report a gentleman who walked right passed by no shirt, no shoes sign."
"We are on our way."
I'm a "property rights" kind of guy.
If I start a business, on the property I own, I
HAVE NOT given up the right to
TELL anyone to leave my property.
I didn't communicate my point very well. As a private property owner I think you should be able to
tell anyone, at anytime, for any reason, to leave your property.
I think if you see something (heck, even suspect something) for any reason that you don't like, you should be able to tell a person to leave and they should do so immediately.
I just don't think there should be a sign for it.
I agree with the sign. I have no idea why it was written into the law the way it was, but I bet Charles Cotton could tell us.
My first experience was yesterday, the first full day with my new CHL.
At the entrance to the Saxett Gun Show in Austin was a 30.06 sign I had walked past without seeing for two years.
I just shrugged my shoulders, walked back to the parking lot, and secured my gun in the car.
They already had LEOs at the entrance to enforce it.
I never "saw" the sign before because I didn't know what it was then.
"The Law is for the Protection of the People." Kris Kristofferson
it is in a county owned facility its not enforceable but there is no case law as of yet proving that, there have been many discussions about it, some think that a short term rental of the hall negates the fact the building is owned by the county though no where in any law does it say that. me I walk past them when I go and that is rarely as you don't save a dime on anything in there
When you rent a home or place of business, you do acquire certain rights "as if you owned the property". Even the landlord can't just walk in.
Not sure if a 2 day short term rental counts. But the question was actually trumped by 3 armed LEOs prepared to enforce the sign.
The legal questions count in court among the lawyers, they do not count at the point of arrest among the arresting officers. The lawyers are later required.
Another sign stated that the LEOs performed "spot checks". I thought it best not to enter while carrying.
no it doesn't give you any renters rights at all, you get no keys you get nothing from the gubbermint that rented the space to you for 2 days. you still have to follow the rules as they see them, wee the saxet vs Austin thread. for an individual it is different when renting a room at the local motel 6 than a business renting from a county or city.
also if you rent a house or apartment the landlord or owner can walk right in any time they want and you can't do squat about it, sorry you are mis informed, if its commercial property not only can the landlord walk in anytime they want they can lock you out and not allow you in anytime they want
I was informed by both the Air Force Legal Office and a private sector lawyer. The landlord has a right to inspect his property, and you must cooperate to
schedule such a visit. If he uses his key to "walk in any time" he is trespassing, and you can have law enforcement evict him. When he rented to you, he assigned the control of the residence to you. That's what lease/rental is about. Also note: A car repossessor is actually outside the law if he doesn't have a court order.
The landlord
CANNOT lock you out. A landlord in Austin just got his butt sued off for that. The landlord must petition a court, the court will empower the local Sherriff to evict you (lock you out). That's why it takes so much time and money to evict someone.
I won't speak to commercial property, as I have no actual experience. But, I suspect it's similar.
they can in fact lock you out as per state law, they must by law allow you to retrieve personal property( clothes pictures personal papers things like that) but not non personal property( furniture game systems TVs stuff like that) and they may sell such property to satisfy the debt owed on rent for domicile renters, commercial property they can lock you out and not let you get a single thing period as all business assets may be sold to satisfy the debt employees must prove ownership to be allowed to remove personal property. Hmm yep I know cause well yea I have done it and will do it as I need to do again
so if you're a landlord then you should know that you can NOT go into a renter's property without arrangement or you can be taken to court for breach of contract.
I've rented in CA, CO and TX and that's the law in all three states.
- by SewTexas
- Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:21 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Poll, PC 30.06 in "Private Businesses"
- Replies: 105
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2firfun50 wrote:android wrote:I used to believe that "business" could do whatever it wants on private property, but after a lot of thought, I have decided that is an anarchistic position that has no place in civilized society.
First, it is legal for the state, via power given to it by the people, to regulate business and commerce. The US Constitution does not forbid this power to the states and every state constitution in some way creates laws and statutes regulating business.
When you open a business "TO THE PUBLIC" with no controlled access and with the intention of providing goods to the public, it is not a unilateral ultimatum, but rather an agreement between the business owner AND the public as to the terms of how that commerce will occur.
For example, the public gets to decide how many rats you have in your freezer if you run a restaurant (it better be zero) and the public gets to decide that you call a "gallon" of gas the same thing the rest of the public calls a gallon of gas. The public also tells business owners to collect sales tax, safety and occupancy laws and a myriad of other requirements that exist in order to do business with the public. Oh and they get to decide that your employees MUST WASH HAND BEFORE RETURNING TO WORK.
In general, I am for these regulations as they allow the public to buy and sell safely and efficiently.
As a society, we have decided that discrimination by business is not desired. As a white, middle aged guy who has never been turned away from a restaurant or hotel for being the "wrong color" or wrong religion, I agree with public accommodation as it exists in the US. Renting a room to a Jew, or selling gas to a black person is NOT enough of a violation of your right to free association to allow it to trump the rights of all in the US to be treated equally with respect to commerce.
Therefore, I think business should have no more right to refuse those of the PUBLIC that carry concealed than they do blacks or Baptists or Bill who is wearing his wife's underwear because he "likes how it feels." What you believe, your sexuality or what is under your clothing is, quite frankly, none of the shop keepers business. If a person has no interest in agreeing to the terms the public has created, then that person has no business opening their doors.
completely. Let me add one more point. If the business receives any public monetary support, in any fashion, is it really a private business? Examples include low interest loans for the SBA, tax breaks from the city/county, tax breaks for creating employment, or any other public tax assistance from the laundry list, is it truly a privately owned business? If one penny of my tax money, including higher taxes to finance the tax breaks, is used to enable the creation of a business with unrestricted public access, then it is no longer a privately owned business, but a government co-op where an individual or corporation is the majority stakeholder.
do you know how FEW businesses actually get SBA loans? Tax breaks are only for the huge corps! a small business actually gets nothing.
geez guys...
and people wonder why I am actually quite content to stick with an online business when I get it open next month....
- by SewTexas
- Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:23 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Poll, PC 30.06 in "Private Businesses"
- Replies: 105
- Views: 15795
jmra wrote:WildBill wrote:Russell wrote:jmra wrote:SewTexas wrote:If I own the store I should be able to manage my store the way I want to
Let me put it this way......
why putting up a sign refusing entry to CHL holders any different than refusing to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple? A business owner should be able to decide who they want to do business with based on my beliefs.
If you refuse to bake that cake you better be prepared to spend a lot of money on lawyers - not saying I believe you should have to bake the cake, just stating reality.
There more than likely would not be any lawyers involved. Sexual orientation is not a protected class.
I don't want to hijack the thread, but:
DENVER—A baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex ceremony must serve gay couples despite his religious beliefs or face fines, a judge said Friday.
The order from administrative law judge Robert N. Spencer said Masterpiece Cakeshop in suburban Denver discriminated against a couple "because of their sexual orientation by refusing to sell them a wedding cake for their same-sex marriage."
The order says the cake-maker must "cease and desist from discriminating" against gay couples. Although the judge did not impose fines in this case, the business will face penalties if it continues to turn away gay couples who want to buy cakes
Read more: Judge orders Colo. cake-maker to serve gay couples - The Denver Post
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You bet me to it Bill.
I understand all that...doesn't mean it's right and doesn't mean most of us agree with it. Would you, if you were a business owner want the government telling you who you had to do business with and how?
- by SewTexas
- Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:02 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Poll, PC 30.06 in "Private Businesses"
- Replies: 105
- Views: 15795
If I own the store I should be able to manage my store the way I want to
Let me put it this way......
why putting up a sign refusing entry to CHL holders any different than refusing to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple? A business owner should be able to decide who they want to do business with based on my beliefs.