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you guys seem to want a teenage girl to react to being grabbed from behind like a 50 year old man! You want her to have the Situational Awareness that has taken you a lifetime to develop. she was a College Student!!!! A Teenager!!!! A Kid! she could be anywhere from 18 to 22? possibly older, but statistically not. She wasn't a middle-aged man, she wasn't going to react like one, like I said earlier, the cop knew where he was setting up, he should have been prepared.

WildBill wrote:

MechAg94 wrote:At first, I visualized an officer catching up to her and grabbing/tapping her shoulder to get her attention and letting her turn around and see that cops are trying to stop her. In that case, someone might jump or freak out for a couple seconds, but should calm down once they realize they are looking at a cop, not some mugger.

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I can see the women being upset. This was probably her first contact with an LEO in this type of situation. I can see her being very upset, but she needs to work on her "emotional intelligence". Maybe this arrest will give her a little more perspective. That said, I hope that they drop all of the charges and just keep the citation for jaywalking. I don't think that she is a menace to society. I can also hope that this incident won't taint her long term feels toward law enforcement.

she needs to work on her "emotional intelligence" ???? what the heck is that????

let me put it this way....is your wife one of the women who carry? Cali and I carry, TAM's wife carries, if one of us is grabbed from behind, that cop is going to be facing a gun, all because he didn't announce himself in such a way as to be noticed by someone who couldn't hear him, weather that person has headphones (as is more, and more common now, so train on it) or that person is deaf or has some hearing loss. I thought police officers were trained in de-escalation? or at least not escalation. college kids are a ball full of hormones, it's all about escalation, he knew that when he set up shop there, he knew going in what his "target audience" would be, so to speak. he should have been more prepared.

n5wd wrote:

Texas_Blaze wrote:There's been a lot of threads on OC and bad tactics. Well, this seems to be bad tactics by the officers. Honestly, nothing better to do? You want public support? Don't engage in bad tactics like this. A jogger minding her own business is a criminal? If she was jaywalking, give her a ticket and move on.

In order for the popo to give her a citation, which is in effect an order to reprt to a court on a particular date (or chose to plead guilty and pay the fine OR plead no-contest and pay the fine) is that the person getting the citation must give evidence of her true name and address, which this young lady apparently refused to do. She got the cuffs and the ride (and, the humiliation) because she refused to identify herself to the po-leese, not because she was jaywalking.

depends on what "give evidence" means. you are not required by law to carry ID unless you are driving a vehicle. So, it depends on the exact charge they booked her on. I read that someone had looked it up and it was "failure to produce id", if that's the case, it will be thrown out (but the person who looked it up could have been wrong)