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by RoyGBiv
Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:23 am
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Topic: What is the world becoming....
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Re: What is the world becoming....

chasfm11 wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote: If the threat of jail goes away, and we reallocate a portion of those enforcement expenditures towards more proactive intervention, treatment and remediation, we have a better chance of breaking that cycle of destruction.
I agree that the war on drugs has been lost for a long time. CO and WA will be good test cases for whether the removal of legal threat does anything to help with the destruction cycle. I'm very doubtful.
Hard to say... and I hate to equivocate.. but.. with 48 states on one side and 2 on the other, the illegal trafficking folks will still be highly incented to continue their business. I'm not really sure what to expect in CO and WA... Will Holder let this experiment alone to see what happens? I'm expecting a reduction in petty possession charges, but what will legalization do to manufacturing and distribution in this small experiment? That's where half the rubber meets the road... The other half is in bringing out drug abusers for treatment and decriminalizing only MJ isn't going to do that. So, success here would be measured longer term, by a decline in those abusing other still-illegal drugs like cocaine and opiates... Specifically, by a decline in the rate users choose legal MJ and choose not to move to other still-illegal things. If you remove the narco trafficker from MJ sales, does that keep MJ from being a "gateway drug" and to what extent?

From a personal liberty perspective it's a no brainer, but from a fiscal and societal costs perspective I'll be interested to see how the facts and arguments shape up on both sides...
by RoyGBiv
Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:40 am
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Topic: What is the world becoming....
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Re: What is the world becoming....

chasfm11 wrote:I'm not sure that legalizing drugs solves anything but what we are doing isn't working either. Other than the crimes that they commit to feed their drug habits, I'd prefer have people live with the consequences of their own decisions. But, unfortunately, parents who abuse drugs are a different story.

http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statisti ... substances
As many as two-thirds of the people in treatment for drug abuse reported being abused or neglected as children
There are people who abuse their kids and are alcohol or drug abusers, too. But many/most are. Battered children are more likely to batter their children. Abused children because of drugs and alcohol appear to turn into substance abusers themselves too often.

I don't think that there is an easy answer.
If the threat of jail goes away, and we reallocate a portion of those enforcement expenditures towards more proactive intervention, treatment and remediation, we have a better chance of breaking that cycle of destruction.

Bringing abusers into the sunlight will help... Removing the criminal element will be a huge help... Removing the motivation of the seller to get the abuser hooked on ever more potent and profitable drugs will help too.

We've lost the "war on drugs", as it's been defined for the past 40 years. It's time to stop the insanity and try something new.

IMO, YMMV
by RoyGBiv
Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:23 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: What is the world becoming....
Replies: 32
Views: 4235

Re: What is the world becoming....

Oldgringo wrote:
urnoodle wrote:I'm ok with legalizing marijuana. To set the record straight upfront, I'm not a pot smoker nor have I ever been. Recreational use is not the reason I support legalizing it. I'm a cancer survivor. I spent thousands of dollars for prescription medications to assist in treating the side effects of chemo and radiation. Health insurance will only cover a specified number of doses of the prescription meds. Costs to the patient can be nearly $1000/month depending on how frequent the patient needs to take it. I was receiving treatment on and off for 2 years. Many times I couldn't afford the prescription and my quality of life was poor. I had friends who were being treated for cancer too. Some moved to states that legalized marijuana for medical use. Others used illegally. Their costs were substantially lower than mine and the marijuana was more effective in counteracting the side effects than the prescription. I will not break the law so therefore I would not use it unless it was legalized. Issues abound when legalizing it only for medical use. Anyone can find a doctor to prescribe it for an real or imagined ailment, therefore legalize it. Let the state gain taxes from its use. I don't forsee Texas ever legalizing it for any type of use. Thank God that I'm in remission now and I don't need it but for those still suffering it would be a viable resource for a better quality of life.
:iagree: I've never smoked pot but I would break the law to save my loved one and/or myself. The so-called war on drugs is an expensive joke, an expensive bad joke.
:iagree: 1,010%
And thanks urnoodle for sharing your first-hand account. All the best to you.

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