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Walker wrote:
Why confront two potentially armed bad guys for someone you don't even know when the police are on the way who could have been amped up on speed? Why take that chance?

Because some men will stand up and protect their community when others won't.


I'll pass thats all I need is some vigilante neighbors shooting up my neighborhood putting my kids at risk. Once again leave it to the trained professionals. If you have to defend yourself thats one thing but I certainly dont want armed vigilantes running around putting us all at risk. Its just a matter of time before a well intentioned neighbor kills some innocents. Bullets don't discriminate and any time you start shooting in a populated area you are taking a risk. Besides that don't make it sound like we have some responsibility to protect the entire community. They have the ability to arm themselves just as we do. I'm no police officer or soldier I arm myself to protect me and my own. If you don't do the same thats your problem and I dont feel bad at all about. Lay that guilt trip on someone else.

Not trying to lay a guilt trip on anyone. Just remember how would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot.

Mr horn maybe said to much but I have to understand the time frame from which he was probably raised.

He was not raised in this "ME FIRST" society and the society where people only think about themselves.

He was most likely raised the way my grandfather was raised and that is you look out for all around you.

Hey remember the golden rule "Do unto other as you would have them do unto you."

I am really wondering how you would feel if it was your house that got broke into.

Also last time I checked Shotguns pelets do not go very far...That is way they are great for home defense and if you are worried about stray bullets in a populated areas...move to the country and out of the city. You know there is crime everywhere...You are no longer safe anywhere anymore. NOT EVEN in your own home.

I have read on here where people say they would or would not do something.

You really never know what you are going to do until you are in a spot that it has to be done.

If someone is running towards me That i knew Had a crowbar at one point, I am not going to let them get close enough to find out if they still have it.

Just because you can not see it does not mean it is not there.

40FIVER wrote:
Those who carry for only selfish reasons (me and mine), have lost that ideal that has made America so great.

I'm sure others will disagree,


Not really, why is it selfish? Those who carry to protect others should join the Academy and become an outstanding and upright Police Officer. Most departments are short staffed and you will have all the RIGHTS and PRIVILEGES as such.

This country was found on watching out for your neighbor. There is not enough spots for police officers where I live plus Do you know the ratio how many people to one police there is? That is why the citizens should watch out for each other.

Think of it this way. What would you want done if you were in someone else's shoes. YOu can say well I would always have my gun. YOu know stuff can happen like it jamming or you do not have a clear safe shot. Or here is another one it is your 18 year old daughter and she is not allowed to carry and she is working at a convience store that got robbed. How would you feel if there was someone there who could have done something and didn't.

I watch out for my nieghbors and they watch out for me. We can not really on a police department who has two or three officers on at a time to respond to 15,000 people. They are not GOD and they can not be everywhere every minute of the day.

We as CHLers just have to make good choice and deal with the consiquences of our actions.

Some people may not agree with me but some of my personal Items are worth killing over. Stuff that can NEVER be replaced is worth it.

I am not saying I would kill over my pictures on my wall but I would kill over my grandfathers coin collection. Some of those are worth thousands of dollars and if someone can prove to me where an insurance company is going to give me fair market value for it then no I won't shoot someone over it.

That is my children's college fund. THEIR future that has been saved since before I was born and no one will take that from them as long as I am alive and breathing.

What if that money they stole was for something very important like a needed surgery. If they had gotten away how would of that homeowner been able to prove he even had the money. Some do not trust banks.

boomerang wrote:
Russell wrote:
- Police have a good chance of recovering the property if the person got a good look at their faces and was a good witness

What percentage of burglaries end up with the property being recovered?

My LEO friend said this is very rare for items that are not pawnable or are not a vehicle to be recovered. Even if it is pawnable able it is very rare they pawn it. Normally it gets traded from one to another for drugs. And last time I check drug users do not check to see if something is stolen or not.

You know if I was working at a store and I was being robbed I would pray that someone would help me. AND NOT JUST SIT IN THEIR CAR AND DO NOTHING BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BEING THREATENED.

What ever happened to watching each others back in this country???

Some things of sentimental value can not replaced in anyway. We do not know what these BG's had stolen. There is always two sides to every story. And we will probably NEVER know the othere because they are DEAD.

At 3:28 and on he said they were on their way it did not say they were there.

I found it at http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=5538780. They were not there before that. Sounds like he went out the front door and shot them.

If I am going to go see which way they were going I am not going to outside with out my gun. And he did say in the begining they had a crowbar.

We all can sit here and say what we would do in a situation, but to be honest no one knows what they would do until they are faced with it.

And if the BG's were not found in the back or front yard of the house that was being robbed. That means they were still trying to get away after the guy shot them.

From a medical stand point if they would have not ran off they might have been able to saved. When you run, your heart beats faster then if you just layed there.

What if the guy that was being robbed did not have insurance? Some things can not replaced. We can analyze this till we all die.

You break in to my house you have just put me and my children's safety in danger. Oh by the way. People do not always need a weapon to kill somebody. Don't believe me talk to the people that have been choked to death with someone's bare hands. Oh yeah you can't they are dead.

IMO I am not going to wait till they have there hands around my throat or my childs before I shot them. The first movement you make towards me or my children, you will be leaving my house in a body bag. I would rather sit in prison and know my family is safe then wonder the What If's.