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...now that is relative...describing a throwaway vote...

smoothoperator wrote:

speedsix wrote:...beg to differ...if you DON'T vote for Romney(sorry as he may be), you HAVE voted for obummer...simple fact...

"War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength." - George Orwell, 1984

...I guess that little ditty means something to you...you're determined to keep using it...though it has nothing to do with the discussion...and surely has nothing to do with my post...

...in the 2012 general election, either Romney or obummer will be elected...no other candidates have a remote chance of winning...

...the only question that really needs answering here is...do you want four more years of obummer???

Hoosier Daddy wrote:

gdanaher wrote:I've read every word of this thread, and at this point y'all about have me convinced that I need to vote for Obama because it could actually be worse for 2A rights under Romney. It hardly matters anyway because Texas is a very red state, and Romney will get the electoral votes anyway, but I see a lot of ammunition here that Democrats could use to stink up Romney.

The sad thing is all this could have been avoided by the Republicans nominating a fiscal conservative without a history supporting gun control and socialist medicine. It's enough to make someone wonder if there's a fifth column inside the Republican party making sure they don't nominate a conservative who is a clear alternative to Obama. I haven't decided who I will vote for in November, but it won't be Obama or Romney. It also won't be a Texas vote so the fifth columnists can save their breath.

...beg to differ...if you DON'T vote for Romney(sorry as he may be), you HAVE voted for obummer...simple fact...a baby step in the right direction is better than continuing in the wrong direction...

smoothoperator wrote:

speedsix wrote: " As Governor, Romney signed a law to ban 2A Militia guns. As President, signed a law that finally lets me carry in National Parks. I plan to vote on results, not cheap talk and posturing." Could you explain this, please?

I'll try.

1.

Mitt Romney was Governor of Massachusetts when the Federal ban on various homeland defense rifles expired. He supported a state law to keep them banned. Channeling the spirit of Massachusetts Governor Thomas Gage, Romney made this statement at the bill signing ceremony.
"These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

As a candidate for ther Republican nomination, Mitt Romney told Tim Russert on NBC that he supports a ban on the militia weapons protected by the Second Amendment, to "keep weapons of unusual lethality from being on the street" [sic]




2.

U.S. Citizens used to be prohibited from having a firearm in U.S. National Parks.

Two years ago, Obama signed a bill that removed that restriction. Now the parks are the same as the surrounding state.

David Barna, chief of public affairs for the National Park Service, said the laws are now the same inside and outside of the park gates.

"The law doesn't change when you enter a park," Barna said. "What you see in the parks shouldn't be any different than what you see outside the park."

3.

Talk is cheap. If we can't have a President who talks the talk and walks the walk, I would rather have a President who talks anti-gun and votes pro-gun than one who talks a good game but then votes anti-gun when it matters.

...thanks...(OBUMMER), as President, signed a bill...not Romney...(as to his NPS chief of public affairs' statement...if it carried any weight, we'd be able to carry in the restrooms and other buildings in the parks, too...big government, again, treating us like children...)
...this was not even on a good day to be construed as pro-gun...obummer's whole agenda has been anti-gun...

...I'm sure Romney didn't say this:
"As a candidate for ther Republican nomination, Mitt Romney told Tim Russert on NBC that he supports a ban on the militia weapons protected by the Second Amendment, to "keep weapons of unusual lethality from being on the street" [sic]"

...that is a spin on what he DID say...only a fool or someone wanting to paint him in a bad light would choose those words...I'll be looking to see if I can find his actual quote...


...here's the actual text of that part of the interview...

RUSSERT: Let me turn to gun control. Here's the headline: "Romney retreats on gun control. Romney, who once described himself as a supporter of strong gun laws, is distancing himself from that rhetoric now as he attempts to court the gun owners who make up a significant force in Republican primary politics. In his '94" Senate race, Romney backed two gun-control measures strongly opposed by the National Rife Association and other" guns rights "groups: the Brady Bill, which imposed a five-day waiting period on gun sales, and a ban on certain assault weapons. 'That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA,' Romney told the Boston Herald.'" "At another campaign stop" "he told reporters, 'I don't line up with the NRA.'" Suddenly Romney decides to run for president and signs up for a lifetime membership in the NRA.

ROMNEY: You know, it's, it's wonderful, and you'll appreciate this. There is a great effort on the part of, in some cases, my opposition, in some cases, just folks that are interested in writing an interesting article to, to try and find any change at all. And my position on guns is the same position I've had for a long, long time. And, and that position is that I don't line up 100 percent with the NRA. I don't see eye to eye with the NRA on every issue. I...

RUSSERT: You're still for the Brady Bill?

ROMNEY: I supported the assault weapon ban. I...

RUSSERT: You're for it?

ROMNEY: I assigned--and I--let me, let me describe it.

RUSSERT: But you're still for it.

ROMNEY: Let's describe what it is. I signed--I would have supported the original assault weapon ban. I signed an assault weapon ban in Massachusetts governor because it provided for a relaxation of licensing requirements for gun owners in Massachusetts, which was a big plus. And so both the pro-gun and the anti-gun lobby came together with a bill, and I signed that. And if there is determined to be, from time to time, a weapon of such lethality that it poses a grave risk to our law enforcement personnel, that's something I would consider signing. There's nothing of that nature that's being proposed today in Washington. But, but I would, I would look at weapons that pose extraordinary lethality...

RUSSERT: So the assault ban that expired here because Congress didn't act on it, you would support?

EY: Just as the president said, he would have, he would have signed that bill if it came to his desk, and so would have I. And, and, and yet I also was pleased to have the support of the NRA when I ran for governor. I sought it, I seek it now. I'd love to have their support. I believe in the right of Americans to bear arms...






Read more at the American Presidency Project: Mitt Romney: Interview with Tim Russert on NBC News' "Meet the Press" http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index ... z1v787dIgD" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


...for a fuller picture of Romney on 2A, one could look here: http://aboutmittromney.com/gun_rights.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...I wouldn't give obummer 2A credit for signing a bill on a totally different subject that the parks carry item was tagged onto: The national park gun law change was included in an amendment to the Credit Cardholders' Bill of Rights Act of 2009, authored by Senator Tom Coburn, R-Okla., and signed into law by President Obama on May 22, 2009. I wonder if he even READ the bill...much less "supported" it...

...Messachussetts has been radically restrictive and anti-gun long before Romney...can't blame it on him...

...it greatly disturbs the old grey hairs on the back of my neck to read that someone would rather have 4 more years of obummer rather than ANYONE else...pick the worst politician you can name(other than the incumbent president) and I'd vote for him to unseat obummer....hoping that a massive voter turnout and upset would be a warning blast to the rest of the political arena...letting them know we were still alive out here and they would have to account to us...

smoothoperator wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I seriously doubt that you believe there is no difference between Romney and Obama, and certainly not on Second Amendment issues.

Far from it. As Governor, Romney signed a law to ban 2A Militia guns. As President, signed a law that finally lets me carry in National Parks. I plan to vote on results, not cheap talk and posturing.

Beyond the subject of guns, RomneyCare paved the way for ObamaCare. Maybe Mitt would be good to have as a neighbor but I haven't seen anything that inspires my confidence he'll be good to have as President. If the Republicans want to win my vote, they need to nominate someone better than all the other candidates, not merely someone better in some areas than the incumbent. The election is theirs to lose and they seem determined to do exactly that.

" As Governor, Romney signed a law to ban 2A Militia guns. As President, signed a law that finally lets me carry in National Parks. I plan to vote on results, not cheap talk and posturing." Could you explain this, please?

...he must be proud that he lived his "fifteen minutes" in the spotlight of life...blaming everything on someone else...may his book be printed on TP...

tbrown wrote:

Dave2 wrote:Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats seem capable of admitting that some of their ideas are best suited for the state or local governments.

Or, more often, best suited for a union of soviet socialist republics. A plague on both their houses.

...there has been...since 2008...and we'd ALL better work to get well...starting with an electorial landslide to get the current disease carrier out of the White House, which will wake them all up to the new, enraged, determined "We the People"!!!

...THIS election's not about casting your vote for the candidate of your choice...it's about casting your vote for America!!!

...Ross Perot was a patriot...who had just about as much electability as does Ron Paul...all he accomplished was to spoil the election...I wish he had a real chance, too...but the numbers aren't even close to making him a viable candidate...

...big government never misses a chance to orchestrate a "situation" where they can validate their existance...making us think that we need them...

...humanly speaking, our only hope is to change obummer's home address...that's job ONE...