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by speedsix
Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:23 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

...because none of them had the wisdom to say NO...it's set a precedent for those who want to operate that way...don't think it'd fly in Texas...at least I hope not...the last car seemed suspicious to me...as did cuffing and holding EVERYBODY...almost as if "let's see what they will stand for..."
by speedsix
Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:24 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

...if they don't have reasonable suspicion to stop/hold him in the first place...the defense will have no trouble showing that he was heavy-handed into the "consensual" search...they HAD to have had some reason to stop him in the first place...and they didn't...unless the info we've been given is all wrong...what the chief said is lame...if he had a reasonable explanation of their reasonable suspicion...he would have put the firestorm out long ago...they are the honored guests at this barbecue...more sauce, please...
by speedsix
Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:19 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

...well, all right then!!! of all people I certainly can't fault you for that...
by speedsix
Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:07 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

...but it sounds like you're defending those who are...they are, in this one, indefensible...mercy and forgiveness is what they need...
by speedsix
Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:58 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

...on the way to the ground, it's considered OK to grasp wildly at every branch and twig...
by speedsix
Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:51 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

...then nothing would have led them to that place...still wrong...they haven't a leg to stand on, on this one...
by speedsix
Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:44 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

RoyGBiv wrote:I've been operating under the assumption that some sort of GPS device was tossed into the money bag together with the cash and dye packs and that's how they "knew" the location of the BG without a description. This is just a guess.

If this (or some similar hard fact) is true, and LE "knows" with reasonable certainty that at minimum the money bag is at that location, I'll bet that a court would find that to be sufficient PC to throw a net over the location, lock it down and sort it out. Similar to using a road block to stop every car and peer inside, except more specific.

I'm not agreeing or supporting the tactic, just thinking through a possible scenario.

Now looking at my personal response should I be pulled from my car and "detained". What choice do I have at the scene? The Cops are in control. Resisting with physical force of any kind is just stupid. An escalation that would almost certainly lead to other (legit) charges. So now I'm in cuffs. I politely, calmly, firmly, clearly and repeatedly refuse to allow the search. I offer to sit on the curb while they go get a warrant. I'm steaming mad, but remain cooperative.

My only recourse comes after... in court should I have a case. Or in the court of public opinion.

Just my $0.02


...it was a Detective on my PD and another man in LEO who invented and perfected the old 3-antenna trackers that they put in the money pack...I've worked robberies with them...we tracked on our car unit to the house...took the hand-held unit, and tracked it to a clothing bag in the boy's closet...it took 40 seconds...not 2 hours...I doubt they had a tracker/GPS device...( with a dye pack, all they would have had to do is walk by the cars)...even if so, they could have moved the cars off one by one and watched the blip...no excuse for what they did...
by speedsix
Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:54 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

...like some politicians, some law enforcement takes the power that we give them to serve us and uses it to oppress us...our legal system has remedies for that...glad to say it's relatively few LEOs that operate that way...and I've seen far less of that attitude in Texas LEOs than anywhere else I've been...
by speedsix
Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:27 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

Wienerdogtroy wrote:
Purplehood wrote:I am confused. Why do so many members of our forum object to this Police-action yet appear to support the Patriot Act?
Don't assume we support the so called Patriot Act either.


...for sure!!! that put my ears back, too...where'd you get that idea??? Maybe it "sounded good" when it began, but the more you know it, the less you like about it...
by speedsix
Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:14 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

"Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

...this quote has been attributed to Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson...both were wise, patriotic Americans, who knew that liberty must be fought for...not handed over at the asking...


...report from Fox with a bit more detail and a pic of the robber in the bank...
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by speedsix
Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:49 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

...forget the suits of the violated innocent citizens for a minute...
...when the defense lawyer stands up in court and demands that the evidence obtained by illegal, warrantless search after detention for no probable cause...let the prosecutor TRY to show the judge that this was a "reasonable" suspicion...I think this guy'll beat the rap...they MAY stand a chance if he was stupid enough to consent to them searching his vehicle...
by speedsix
Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:20 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection
Replies: 91
Views: 9281

Re: CO -Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection

...this is one case where I'd sue for all I could get...absolutely no reason for this to have been done...or allowed to be done...baaaaaaaaaa bbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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