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well thats true...My little's have a firm no movies with that level of violence rule. They also have a no movies starting past 6 pm rule. However I was thinking of if I had a 16 year old son, I might take him.

I have tiny kids right now, but lets fast forward a few years to the time when they can run. I have no problem jumping on top of a madman into certain death so they can get out. I would prefer to watch them marry and have children from this side of eternity, but if it is needful I will gladly do it from the other side. I imagine if two people grabbed him from his 6 oclock it would take him at least a few minutes to kill them and in that time your children might be able to escape.

I have though this over and over. The likelihood of being able to take this guy out is small. He was heavily armored, there was tear gas and smoke. The only thing a CHler might be able to do IF they had a clear line of sight is provide cover fire and allow others to escape. I imagine even heavily armored a .45 round might tip the person off balance. Perhaps, even then there is not a high chance of survivability. Once I have exhausted my 7 rounds and then my additional 6 he still has hundreds of rounds on me. But if you could knock him down others might escape. If his gun did jam, well that put things more in your favor. Multiple shots to the torso even with flak jacket and bullet proof vest would hurt and might knock him over. Still, good chance if you engage you are not getting out alive. But perhaps your teen just might.

There is another problem though with engaging, it changes the dynamic a bit and might be troublesome to sort out in the aftermath. Assuming by a miracle you survive now the police think that it was a shoot out between individuals and not a mass murderer being subdued. Hopefully witnesses and your testimony will sort that out, but watching what happened in Florida (a near textbook self defense shot being prosecuted as Murder 2) I don't think that is a foregone conclusion.

All that said, sometimes one must act. Even if the effort may seem futile because there is always the chance you will see tomorrow and you will then have to look in the mirror.