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by LSUTiger
Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:02 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Another casualty of Open Carry
Replies: 213
Views: 72089

Re: Another casualty of Open Carry

dhoobler wrote:
LSUTiger wrote:
About a year ago, our company, previously privately owned, was acquired by a large foreign corporation and a few policy changes happened but no 30.06.

However, around Dec. 28th, both 30.06/07 signs were posted at the front entrance to the parking lot and on the main building of multi-building campus.

So, I'd say the combination of being part of a large corporation and the advent of OC contributed to the postings. But I would argue that maybe 30.06 would have happened anyway as corporate policy changes were finally implemented.
Regarding that 30.06 sign posted at the entrance to the parking lot, please read attorney general opinion GA0972.

https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/opinio ... ga0972.pdf
Thanks! I'm aware 30.06 doesn't apply to firearms stored in your vehicle.
by LSUTiger
Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:05 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Another casualty of Open Carry
Replies: 213
Views: 72089

Re: Another casualty of Open Carry

VMI77 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Tell that to the guys that can no longer carry at work. To the guys that now have to change their shopping routines, because the stores they've gone to for years are no longer available to them. The tradeoff might seem worthwhile to you, because it's had no impact on you personally. It might seem a lot less worthwhile to someone who has now had to disarm.
There were companies that allowed their employees to carry at work, that then changed their minds and posted 30.06/30.07 because of open carry, AND prohibited their employees from carrying? Maybe there's ONE guy on this board where that happened, but even that's hard to believe. I'm still waiting to see how many places that had 30.06 posted failed to update the language for 2016.

The stores they've gone to for years...we have Half Price Books and unconfirmed reports of the odd gas station and Applebees. In DFW we have the Mills mall that took down their sign.

I'm still guessing MORE places we can CC legally and definitely MORE where we can OC.
Uh, missed this before, but you think I'm lying or what? I think I've made it clear that I don't "know" if OC caused the switch, but it happened. About three months ago our company policy was updated. The policy allowed CC for about the past 5 years. During that time the company held a CHL class on company property for employees. The policy change three months ago made approval of CC more explicit but it didn't even mention OC, which I considered a bad sign. Then about a month ago, before the holidays, we were called into a meeting and told the policy had been changed again to prohibit both CC and OC...and that 30.06/30.07 signs would be posted at the entrance gates.

No reason was given for the change. I asked a pro-gun person in management that I can trust....he didn't know the reason but he did know that someone in management pointed out that the recent policy change did not address OC and that it was coming on January 1, 2016. In a month the policy changed from allowing CC and not mentioning OC to prohibiting both CC and OC. And I should mention....when I first got my CHL company policy prohibited CC. About a year later the policy was changed to allow it. I don't know what politics motivated the change but I do know that the big boss at the time had a CHL. So, was the recent change prompted by OC? I don't know but I suspect it was.

That said....so far, OC hasn't otherwise affected me. I haven't seen any 30.06 signs where there weren't any before OC. I'm not in the same situation at work that many are where CC is prohibited. My office is inside a secure facility with armed guards and I park right in front of the entrance. I don't have to walk back and forth from my vehicle through any sketchy areas, and I don't have to worry about anyone breaking into my car and stealing my gun.
My company previously had no 30.06 signs although guns were prohibited as company policy. It had been this way for ever. Most guys here are Pro 2A, LTC, gun guys, you know true Texans. Our COO included.

About a year ago, our company, previously privately owned, was acquired by a large foreign corporation and a few policy changes happened but no 30.06.

However, around Dec. 28th, both 30.06/07 signs were posted at the front entrance to the parking lot and on the main building of multi-building campus.

So, I'd say the combination of being part of a large corporation and the advent of OC contributed to the postings. But I would argue that maybe 30.06 would have happened anyway as corporate policy changes were finally implemented.
by LSUTiger
Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:40 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Another casualty of Open Carry
Replies: 213
Views: 72089

Re: Another casualty of Open Carry

LTUME1978 wrote:Richbirdhunter,

You must live in a very isolated part of the state. Here in Houston, once the signs are up, they are not ever going to come down. All open carry did was wake the liberals up in Houston to the fact that they could be putting up signs. I see more signs going up in the tunnels in downtown Houston every day. With every new sign, someone else asks what that is all about and gets the idea that they should post as well.

The lid is off this can of worms and it will never go back. I hope the right to walk around looking like Wyatt Earp is worth it to the open carry folks because a lot of us are loosing our right to concealed carry and it may cost some of us our lives for your privilege to play cowboy.
I know some will disagree, but IMHO, (and yes, I now understand the OCT back story and why OC was pushed), the lid was slowly come off this can of worms anyway. I think it was inevitable (how much longer???), but I'll concede that OCT hurried the process.

But I can count on many occasions where I have worked /done business personally and professionally over the past several years that one day they were not posted and the next they were posted 30.06, all long before the passage of OC. In my view, I support OC and would rather have OC/Posting of more signs vs. Not having OC/Posting of more signs. That said, I supported all the good gun bills.

So right or wrong, good or bad, OC or no OC, sooner or later the other side becomes aware. Relying on others continued ignorance is not a good strategy. Yes, the proverbial cat is out of the bag. How long do you really expect we could have kept it in there? Surely not forever.

Anytime Pro 2A legislation comes up for discussion or passes we can expect pushback, does that mean we should stop fighting to have our rights restored?

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