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Glad you had a great time and were able to avoid any big bad 30.06 monsters. Some carnival rides scare me, I hope everyone ends up alright in the end. Would be unfortunate to be paralyzed at such a young age.

Nice that you were able to avoid getting outted with such dancing. Good Job!!

Bryan

If you disobey verbal/written notification (as long as written complies w/ 30.06) it is not "Basically trespassing" it is Criminal Trespass by CHL and is a big difference then trespassing. No LEO is going to cite you for simply ignoring a gunbuster sign. If you ignore the manager who asks you to leave because you are carrying, or ignore the LEO who was called and told you couldnt be there and had to disarm or leave, well I feel for you because there is a big difference in a Class A and C misdemeanor (one is CHL disqualifying and costly both in the pocket and freedom areas)

I agree, people should educate themselves whenever they take on a huge responsibiliy like carrying a firearm and if you dont understand something or have questions - because lets be honest -- some of that stuff is more confusing than a little bit - ask someone who knows, or knows who does.

As for this topic, you and I are on two different levels, we must agree to disagree. I wish you well LCP_Dogg and if you are going to be in or around San Antonio towards the middle of February I am trying to get a group together for a Range Day and I would like to extend to you a personal invitation. (See Day of Shooting in Gun, Shooting and Discussion sub forum)

Bryan

Only if you are "outted" and asked to leave because of your firearm, but then you have been given verbal notice and then if you dont leave 30.06 applies, which is a much stiffer penalty as opposed to trespassing by itself but I still dont see how simple trespassing applies if you ignore the gunbuster sign at the door. Which would be "otherwise printed information" correct ?

About me bieng wrong, I was referencing wether or not it qualified 51%. I am not TABC agent and quite frankly with out a sign, license posted...i.e. is the Carnival 51% total or does each "establishment" have to meet that indivdually. Alot of what if's so I responded with my opinion and what I thought pertaining to 51% with a caveat that I am not an expert on TABC laws and requirements. I know the basic's if it is a bar and its posted 51% (Yes I know no sign is an excuse) and the cool color trick some of the TABC guys have said about color of liquer license and what it means, That is it. I was hoping someone who did know would address that issue.

LCP_Dogg wrote:Well yes, you cannot possess a handgun under CHL law anywhere that posts a 30.06 sign or else has verbal or otherwise printed information pertaining to possession of a firearm on the premises. It is their property and they can refuse admittance to anyone. I thought that was a given.

This is not entirely correct either.... Though there are no requirements for verbal notification to comply with 30.06 any "otherwise printed information" is not worth the paper it is printed on becuase if the Written Notification does not meet the requirements established by the legislature in TPC 30.06 it is not legaly binding.

Bryan

LCP_Dogg wrote:Man, you guys need to do some reading. A CHL is not a waiver, it is a responsibility. You have laws you have to abide by and CLEARLY neither of you have read them (recently). And that really scares me that there are uninformed CHL holders out there, but anyways...

CHL holders may not carry while in an "amusement park".

(1) "Amusement park" means a permanent indoor or outdoor facility or park where amusement rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only through controlled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calendar year, and has security guards on the premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.

Carnivals rarely ever fall under this clause as they are small and temporary in nature.

But that doesn't mean they can't post a 51% or 30.06 sign.

A carnival is just that "a Carnival" and will never be an amusement park. Every "Carnival" I have ever been to doesnt last more than a week maybe 2 at best, and would have to be posted 30.06 anyway. And for the 51%, they would have to be licensed and required to post. Although there is alcohol for sale, given the price of tickets, games, food, etc. I would be hard pressed to believe they meet the requirements. (Not alot of experience on that fact so if someone has first hand knowledge please share).

Additionally, even if I were wrong, your approach at education was way out of line. Nothing about mine or glockowners post was rude or warranted your response. And evidently you are the one that was mistaken on the issue.

Why do you think one of the reasons this forum exists is......To ask questions pertaining to things that you dont know or want to know more about so you can be educated (very responsible, I think) by people who have the knowledge or experience to help you out.

Ok, I am done, Sorry for the hijack. I just dont understand why some people have to be like that.

Bryan

I am probably wrong but I don't think the carnivals fall under the 51% rule so the only thing you would have to worry about would be a binding 30.06 sign (unless it was in a city owned, etc. park) and your gun falling if you decided to ride a roller coaster or something like that.

But, like I said I might be wrong