cprems wrote:goose wrote:cprems wrote:Americans think it can't happen here or to them? You are wrong! Just take a look at the last 2 elections.
Again, who here has expressed the opinion that gun control can't happen here? We fight it every day. What have the last two elections done for federal gun control? You know why it hasn't done anything? Because the people you are accusing of doing nothing wrote letters, made donations and were engaged. Just as many state pro gun laws have been passed as anti. Thanks for coming here and telling us how we're screwing up your life. Were we (the US) your second choice? Was there someplace fighting the good fight better than we are? Please tell.
Did I hit a nerve?
Yes, your tone very much said (to me) "America sucks because not enough people want exactly what I want." You said America was great. Fair enough, I'll take you at your word. But you are the one being divisive. You are the one drawing a line in the sand on our side of the fight. We won't in fact (your word) fall if not all of us want the same OC fight today you want today. You said it was a fact. Explain that fact. Explain how incremental bargaining has unquestionably failed. Have we had some setbacks? Yes. Have we had some awesome gains? Yes. How many CC states do we have today that we did not have 20 years ago? Did Illinois make all of it's gains this year because the OC crowd walked around Chicago with rifles over their shoulders? Can you explain how these successes occured when they weren't tied to OC?
cprems wrote:
The comment was a generalized comment. Typically, Americans for the most part are apathetic when it comes to their rights. We assume that they will still be there. This presumption provides a false sense of security.
I said nothing about you screwing up my life. The comment was a generalized one. The US wasn't a second choice. It was the only choice I had at the time. I chose America because of the civil liberties and freedoms that many shed blood for. For the record, I am a US citizen, I chose the wonderful Country.
Awesome. but...........
cprems wrote:You fail to understand that I have lived this fight first hand. Apathy won!
No, in fact I DO understand. You chose to be apathetic in a past life
cprems wrote:I lost my guns in one Country due to complacency and not wanting to get involved because it didn't apply to me.
and now you want to sling mud here because not enough 'Mericans want to take up the fight you want. Usually people that make mistakes are less quick to point fingers and judge. Or at least they should be. We were the best choice, a wonderful country, because we aren't apathetic. We weren't apathetic back when you were. You asked if you struck a nerve. Yep. Glass houses and all that. Are many Americans not daily fighting for rights, yes. This isn't an American anomoly, the same can be said for every country on the planet. Did your previous country have 100% voter turn out? (that is a trick question, BTW) The truth is that many, many Americans are readily and completely engaged in the 2A fight. A couple of them hang out here on this board.
cprems wrote: I did my part. I wrote letters, made phone calls and even canvassed for Ted Cruz. I continue to do so today.
There (IMO) has been an anti "OC" issue on this thread. If we can't stick together, we fail, they win. It's really that simple. You may not like the way they do it but until you can come up with a better idea and get everyone together then they will continue. This is NOT CHL v OC... We should be joined solidly at the hip in whatever direction WE take.
The only anti OC I see are people that are anti "in your face." I am one of those. Making scenes and making disinterested third parties like coroprations choose will generally cause us to lose ground and cause us ALL to look like extremists. You say "we" and "us" cannot stand divided. Explain why we will fail if the NRA and so many people like yourself are willing to canvass for conservative officials and fight the good fight even if not all of us want OC today? It isn't a fact that we will fail. We are actually being very successful while our cause contains a spectrum of views. It is a HUGE population. Expecting every single one of us the be stepford wives or clones isn't realistic. Lots of people have lots of different views and yet we (the 2A crowd) also come together and give dollars and make phone calls and get things done. The direction that most of us are taking is CC first, OC second. So if you took that path too we'd be joined at the hip and life would be good? (Know that is a trick question because I suspect you will again say that we all have to want to take your direction for OC now.)
Politics are never simple. Expecting or requiring everyone to hold your view is a great prelude to either a ruling elite deciding what others should think or a revisit of the Red Scare. We can always debate without saying "It's my way or the highway." Good debates, usually involve incremental changes in the perspectives of the opponent. OC would do well to follow the same path, IMO.