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by goose
Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:31 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Options to practice better carry habits
Replies: 13
Views: 3620

Re: Options to practice better carry habits

n5wd wrote: Goose: if you are a long-term professional employee (i.e. A degreed teacher with more than 3years in your district) a non-renewal has to be documented just like a firing. There has to be some documented problem that has been discussed with you, most likely through a growth plan, and you must have failed to complete the requirements of a growth plan for them to initiate non-renewal, according to the legal beagles at our representative association. They can't just decide they don't like you, and decide not to renew your contract. Administrators, though, don't necessarily have the same protection -according to state law, they can be non-renewed if they fall out of favor with the administration of the district.
I don't disagree with most that you have posted. With the exception of an implied (I took it that way) job security. I know of two darn good teachers that were given less than stellar evaluations on all of the soft stuff, just to help encourage them to move on. And it was fairly easy to do. It took time, and yes both went through "counseling" by the principles in question. Two separate principles, two separate ISDs used the exact same MO. "Classroom management" was the favorite topic because it is a huge grey area that every principle gets to define for themselves. "Ms. So-and-so needs to do better at organizing her classroom." "Her transition times were too long, children were talking instead of moving on to the next topic." "She needs to work on keeping the children more engaged. Several students appeared distracted and not on topic." A principle is allowed to run a school the way they want to get the results they want. Within the law and guidelines obviously. Putting a matrix number on terms like "organization" or "engagement" is near impossible so it is the perfect place for a principle to discipline someone if they feel the need. And no school board is going to care or even see it as a negative if a principle has a couple teachers on review. Most schools probably need one or two on review. Isolated, targeted and selective use of power can cause problems for a teacher in some cases. I submit that, outside of a union shop, they may well be able to simply decide that they don't like you and with a little bit of time and paperwork (as you describe) you can be let go.

I'm not preaching that the sky is falling. I'm not telling the OP that all principles suck. Heck, I don't even know if they have gun sniffing dogs. I was simply encouraging the OP to weigh all factors. And I tried to list factors that I was aware of, one of which was job security. OP may be aware of others. Some may apply and some may not. Hopefully this topic isn't even a concern. The OP gets to decide that part.
by goose
Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:53 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Options to practice better carry habits
Replies: 13
Views: 3620

Re: Options to practice better carry habits

jmra wrote:
goose wrote:
jmra wrote:
Cjwglock19 wrote:From the handbook:

Employees, visitors, and students, including those with a license to carry a concealed handgun, are prohibited from bringing firearms, knives, clubs, or other prohibited weapons onto school premises (i.e. building or portion of a building) or any grounds or building where a school-sponsored activity takes place. To ensure the safety of all persons, employees who observe or suspect a violation of the District’s weapons policy should report it to their supervisors call the district office.
Sounds like locked in your car in the parking lot is absolutely fine. The key is they used "premises" instead of "property".
IANAL, but I think locked in your car in a safe would clearly demonstrate a desire to keep the firearm away from "school-sponsored activity." I do think that an administrator with a burr in their saddle could press the issue if that particular parking lot was painted and used for marching band practice or similar. You also need to decide what recourse you would have if they found one and let you go. I don't know of any statutory protections for an employee if an employer finds a firearm. You haven't committed a crime, but you also aren't protected.
Teachers with contracts are very hard to fire. They can only be fired for cause and a firearm locked in a car in the parking lot is not a violation of what he copied from the handbook.
I would suggest that the OP not use his name in posts as Google search could find these posts.
My biggest concern is for a "non-renewl." Having experience, it sure seems relatively easy to simply not extend a contract for the next year. And I am not suggesting that will happen carte blanch, I only mention it so that the OP can weigh his/her situation. There are many things that might affect the OPs take on his options, unions, tenure, etc. I don't know what those might be for them, good or bad.
by goose
Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:02 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Options to practice better carry habits
Replies: 13
Views: 3620

Re: Options to practice better carry habits

jmra wrote:
Cjwglock19 wrote:From the handbook:

Employees, visitors, and students, including those with a license to carry a concealed handgun, are prohibited from bringing firearms, knives, clubs, or other prohibited weapons onto school premises (i.e. building or portion of a building) or any grounds or building where a school-sponsored activity takes place. To ensure the safety of all persons, employees who observe or suspect a violation of the District’s weapons policy should report it to their supervisors call the district office.
Sounds like locked in your car in the parking lot is absolutely fine. The key is they used "premises" instead of "property".
IANAL, but I think locked in your car in a safe would clearly demonstrate a desire to keep the firearm away from "school-sponsored activity." I do think that an administrator with a burr in their saddle could press the issue if that particular parking lot was painted and used for marching band practice or similar. You also need to decide what recourse you would have if they found one and let you go. I don't know of any statutory protections for an employee if an employer finds a firearm. You haven't committed a crime, but you also aren't protected.

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