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The folks claiming or implying an Obama 2nd term would better for the 2A than Romney (being elected) are either misinformed or being intellectually dishonest...or they are trolls/trojans trying to persuade forum members to think in a way that will help get their guy, Obama, re-elected. Unfortunately, libs are nothing if not persistent at working to advance their ideology/agenda.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

matriculated wrote:What's the end result of what each of the men did? Obama passed National Parks Carry . . .

No, he most certainly did not "Pass National Carry." We rammed it down his throat. The level of intellectual dishonest on this bill is astonishing.

Chas.

The Obama admin also conducted a tepid defense of the Interior department when the Brady campaign sought an injuction to the Bush admin national park carry rules. When the court rejected the Bush rules, the Obama admin did not appeal.

Quite a different approach from how they take swift and firm legal action against those with whom they disagree.

matriculated wrote:

pbwalker wrote:But I can pretty much guarantee that is he's elected for a second term, there will be some gun related legislation he will happily sign, and we won't like the results.

That's exactly what everyone of our persuasion on gun rights was saying before he started his first term, and I'm still waiting on all that. Sometimes peoples' hatred of the man simply seems to cloud reality to where it's indistinguishable from their personal paranoia and fears.

Another low, liberal tactic, attempting to discredit those providing facts. Nothing I've seen posted here demonstrates a "hatred of the man," but yet you chose to go the ad hominem path.

Also - pbwalker, why would Obama in second term need the legislature to continue the bidding for the brady bunch? Hasn't his admin already demonstrated they don't need congress to enact 2A restrictions?

The Mad Moderate wrote:

Slowplay wrote: If you say his intent was to permit concealed carry in national parks, I have another follow-up question that will prove you are wrong.

Not always about intent, if he had a problem with it I'm sure e would not have signed it with the National Parks amendment attached. It's pretty clear which candidate at least in actions is more pro 2a

You are mistaken - please provide an example where a President performs an official act as president without intent. The bill was signed in spite of the amendment - why do you choose to believe otherwise? ...that's a rhetorical question...

Btw, aren't any of you Obama supporters able to identify the bill signed by Obama or the amendment sponsor? Do any of you all even know why the amendment was necessary?

matriculated wrote:

smoothoperator wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I seriously doubt that you believe there is no difference between Romney and Obama, and certainly not on Second Amendment issues.

Far from it. As Governor, Romney signed a law to ban 2A Militia guns. As President, signed a law that finally lets me carry in National Parks. I plan to vote on results, not cheap talk and posturing.

Beyond the subject of guns, RomneyCare paved the way for ObamaCare. Maybe Mitt would be good to have as a neighbor but I haven't seen anything that inspires my confidence he'll be good to have as President. If the Republicans want to win my vote, they need to nominate someone better than all the other candidates, not merely someone better in some areas than the incumbent. The election is theirs to lose and they seem determined to do exactly that.

Since I've been forbidden from speaking freely under threat of banishment from these here boards (not Orwellian at all, that threat), I must rely on others to speak for me. In light of that, all I have to say to the post above is

For you two, I'm providing a link to a website that you both may already have bookmarked... First, please read this and tell me what the Bush admininstration's intent likely was when overturning the carry ban in national parks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/0 ... 48959.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Next, identify the bill signed by Obama that allows you to carry in national parks (here's a clue - it likely made the interest rate on your credit cards higher and your credit limits lower). Then, specify who sponsored the national parks carry amendment to that bill that was eventually signed by Obama. What was Obama's intent in signing the bill with the national parks carry amendment??

If you say his intent was to permit concealed carry in national parks, I have another follow-up question that will prove you are wrong.