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by DFWTT
Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:06 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Inexperienced in Class
Replies: 62
Views: 8497

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tacticool wrote:
DFWTT wrote:Some of the students had never pulled a trigger.
Did they pass? Were they safe?

New shooters don't worry me as much as the guys who think they know everything already.

Answers: 1) Yes 2) No. absolutely not.
txdang wrote:Aren't you in a sense taking a similar stand to the anti's when you say that a person can exercise a 2A act, but only under certain conditions? I agree that inexperienced people with a gun is a scary thing, but how can you support 2A and restrict the right to bear arms? I've read similar threads and according to them I should go ahead and just send back my CHL.
No, I am not taking any anti stand and I am offended that you would even suggest that. Apparently you did not read the entire thread before chiming in with an uninformed opinion. To RESTATE: I am not for any type of further restrictions. This is a personal responsibility issue that should be addressed either by the individual or the course staff prior to arrival at said course. Your choice. As has been discovered WITHIN the thread, so reponsible CHL instructors are already taking steps to correct the initial deficiency and thus both avoiding incident and increasing the comfort level of those persons attending. Some, however, are not. Those two topics are the ones under discussion, personal responsibility and course( non regulated) responsibility, not what you ave suggested. As for your CHL, I could care less.

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by DFWTT
Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:28 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Inexperienced in Class
Replies: 62
Views: 8497

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¿Qué? wrote:
DFWTT wrote:I've attended exactly two CHL courses. In each one, I encountered what I felt were more inexperienced shooters than I was comfortable with.
I know what you mean. There is a lot of inexperience in the initial classes. Students who have never read the penal code. While I am all for 2A and a citizens right to carry, I can't help but feel a little uneasy thinking about all the people carrying with very little to nil training on the weapons laws, legal justifications for force and deadly force, carry / no carry situations and so on. Obeying the law is my concern. Knowing what I know now about all of these things and how easy it is to make the wrong move or decision, I can't understand how a prudent person would make the decision to come to class so utterly unprepared. I believe that some will choose to continue their education after class, but what about those that don't?
Is that my original post, cut and pasted with your words inserted? That's just...wierd. :roll:
by DFWTT
Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:28 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Inexperienced in Class
Replies: 62
Views: 8497

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MasterOfNone wrote:I see both sides of this issue in my classes. I see some students getting frustrated because they have to wait for others who take more time to do everything. But I recognize that many people first get "into" guns because they want to carry for self defense, so a CHL class is some of the first training they seek. If a CHL class gets them started on learning, I'm thrilled.
To help them prepare, I have a pre-course info sheet that tells them about the class and what's expected of them. It encourages them to be proficient enough to handle their gun and pass the shooting proficiency before their class date, emphasizing that this is not a "how to shoot" class. But if someone shows up needing some instruction, I still accommodate them. I put them on a later firing relay and let one of the range staff work with them before firing. (Because we shoot before the range opens, someone is always available.) It is amazing what a short block of instruction can do for a new shooter. And if someone has to try a second time to pass, I usually have them do it after the class so I can spend more time with them.
This is the kind of answer I hoped to get. :thumbs2:
by DFWTT
Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:29 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Inexperienced in Class
Replies: 62
Views: 8497

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I don't attempt to impose my beliefs on anyone. As for choices; the choice I make is to be as informative and positive as I can when asked about gun operation and safety. Some people just feel like thier questions are stupid and as we all know the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked. So what happens is that they go into situations that they are ill prepared for. For instance, husband pushes and pushes wife to take the CHL with him "for her benefit". Having never handled a gun, the wife goes to class completely in the dark and feeling incompetent. Not good for her or anyone else. She cannot effectively learn and her frustration affects her and those around her. This is just an example, not intended to segregate anyone.
by DFWTT
Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:31 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Inexperienced in Class
Replies: 62
Views: 8497

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sugar land dave wrote:This looks a lot like this thread: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=42762&hilit=harder+test
That guy wants further restrictions on CHL's that is absolutely not the intent of this thread. I suppose the intent is to put a few heads together to figure out how the people taking the leap may be better prepared. I don't think a intro pistol class is really needed, just a little common sense. What's the best way to get that message out? Interested persons need only familiarity. So prior to taking the class, someone runs a couple of safety guidelines by them. IIRC the rules of safety were not fully understood by everyone on the firing line i.e. muzzle down range and so forth.
by DFWTT
Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:19 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Inexperienced in Class
Replies: 62
Views: 8497

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Yea, maybe it's a non-issue and yes there are not a lot of reported ND's. But with responsibility stressed at every turn, as it should be, how can this subject be looked upon as unimportant? I'm definitely sure that there should be NO more regulations placed on the CHL applicant. Some personal responsibility lies with the applicant though in at least becoming familiar with a firearm prior to making the decision to carry one? Agree?
by DFWTT
Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:52 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Inexperienced in Class
Replies: 62
Views: 8497

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KC5AV wrote:Were you born with all of this knowledge, or did you have to learn it at some point? They just aren't as far along as you are. Should they give up the right to self defense until they know a little more?
No, I had to learn it like everyone else, I just got a little uneasy that's all. Like I said I'm all for people exercising thier rights. That is not my debate.
by DFWTT
Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:45 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Inexperienced in Class
Replies: 62
Views: 8497

Inexperienced in Class

I've attended exactly two CHL courses. In each one, I encountered what I felt were more inexperienced shooters than I was comfortable with. Some of the students had never pulled a trigger. While I am all for 2A and a citizens right to carry, I can't help but feel a little uneasy thinking about all the people carrying with very litte to nil training on drawing technique, trigger and muzzle control, shoot / no shoot situations and so on. Safety is my concern. Knowing what I know now about all of these things and how easy it is to make the wrong move or decision, I can't understand how a prudent peson would make the decision to come to class so utterly unprepared. I believe that some will choose to continue thier education after class, but what about those that don't? Topic open for constructive debate.
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