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OrangeAnimal wrote:Something else I just thought of this would never work out when I ride my motorcycle. I ride a cbr and never could lean forward to reach the bars. Matter of fact doing so just seems like a good way to end up shot in the groin. Lol. Oh well worth trying and yes for the most part it is very concealed and the draw is awesome. So don't everyone shun this for what I am saying try it yourself. Its still an option that may work for many just not myself.

Yah, this prolly won't work riding a rocket....LOL.

OrangeAnimal wrote:Snatchel. You still have a thicker frame than myself. I have to say I own one of those wrb holsters and just went and tried AC and no way. I have this large lump in front of me now. Lol. Now I will admit that you are going to have a tough time seeing it but this is a little p238 not even a double stack sub compact like my glock. I will fool around with it but sitting here right now is downright painful I have to lean back slightly. I am still thinking about sticking to my owb at 430. But I do see an advantage in the draw from AC.

If at all possible, post a pic of you + your rig with things at AC.

As far as being painful--something is wrong. It takes some getting used to- and is uncomfortable at first, but never painful. How snug is your shirt? Too snug & it may not conceal. I wear regular shirts in my size, but my chest sticks out further than my belly, so it helps to conceal...

Jerry-- It doesn't jab me in the thigh, no sir. As I sit, the barrel follows the natural curve of my thigh/groin, and doesn't dig at all. Nor does it jab my ribs... Then again, I'm not carrying a full size gun either. I think the barrel on this particular M&P9c is somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 in.

Disco-- finding the holster is the tough part. My advice is to start with a middle-of-the line priced holster...maybe up to $40 or so, just to give you an idea of where you want the holster to sit before you spend big money. I use a DeSantis TuckThis II, paid $35 for it. I plan on picking up a leather galco this weekend.... I can also recommend WRB holsters. They are very inexpensive, and if my buddy is to be believed, worth their weight in gold.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:snatchel:
Thank you for that full-featured explanation.

I guess I was confusing "appendix carry" with "Smart Carry", which I think is the one
where your gun is 'way down there' if you catch my drift.

SIA

Yeah, I also have a smart carry, but I let a forum member borrow it while recovering from surgery. The smartcarry is designed to ride just below the belt line, but I never could get used to that.

Glad I could be of help!

Start here. Everything is concealed.


I'm using my left hand to raise my shirt for a better view of what I'm doing, but it's actually as fast for me to use only my right hand--this leaves my left hand for fighting off attackers during a draw.


Notice the full combat grip. Also, you may notice that my belt buckle is off center. This is to keep the bulk of gun and buckle spread apart, reducing bulge.


I usually bring weapon up to nipple level before assuming a proper stance. Both hands on weapon, finger off trigger.


Engage & repeat as necessary



Here is a closeup of the gun holstered in the appendix position. The grip rides higher than your beltline, so there is no digging for a gun to be spoken of.

Gimmie 5 mins and I'll post visual aid.

I am a new fan and user of appendix style carry, and the beauty of it is that you can carry pretty much anything from a Glock 26 to a FN 5.7 once you have the mechanics all ironed out.

So, for comparison, I'm 5'7 and 170 lbs. not skinny, not fat...just thick built. I wear 32 waist pants. I began carrying at 4:00 with a hybrid kydex/leather holster and a G26. As I got more comfortable, I've progressed from a G26 and SP101 to a G30 and M&P 9c. I carry at 4:00 still occasionally, but after a forum friend encouraged me to try appendix, I have fallen in love.

The beauty of appendix carry is that once the holster/belt combination is figured out, it is comfy, blazing fast, and discreet. You know the hollow between your thigh and groin, and just below your hip? Well, I am convinced that this hollow was put there intentionally by God to hide a handgun.

Here is where appendix becomes a pain: finding the right holster. A gunbelt is a no brainier-- gun+holster weighs quite a bit, and your typical fossil or CK or whatever belt doesn't cut it. The only ones who will disagree with me are those who haven't used a gunbelt yet. Then you have to find a holster that is minimalist enough not to be cumbersome, yet covers enough gun to keep the trigger covered. The holster has to sit at just the right height on your belt to ride comfortably. It took me a while to figure out what combination I needed. My buddies all use WRB holsters, I use desantis tuck-this, with some personal alterings.

So, in my opinion, you can easily carry something along the lines of a G21/G30-- neither of which are small guns, when carrying appendix. It's all about the holster and gunbelt.

If you really want a gun recommendation, I have found that the Smith and Wesson M&P 9compact is an excellent gun to conceal. It beats the heck out of my old Glock 26 in looks, grip, and carry comfort if not functionality. They are reliable, sturdy, and shoot well.