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DO NOT POST DIRECT DPS PHONE NUMBERS!!!

Last post by Charles L. Cotton « Mon May 16, 2016 3:42 pm
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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon May 16, 2016 3:42 pm » in Site Announcements, Questions & Suggestions

Don't even think of posting the direct line phone numbers to the DPS Director or anyone else within DPS. If the number isn't available on the DPS...

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A laugh and a lesson.

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by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:38 pm
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One of my flying magazines (AOPA Pilot) has a regular monthly column entitled Never Again. In it are stories of close calls for pilots, most of whom...

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Never Again!?
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Posts in the "Never Again" forum

Last post by Lena « Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:56 pm
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by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:38 pm

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We are getting a large number of posts in the Never Again section that should be posted elsewhere. As noted in the sticky for that section, it is...

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Shooting rifle grenades (HE) from the shoulder with an M1 Garand set for max distance we saw it in a manual and I had a much higher rank officer...

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Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:56 pm
NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one

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by philip964 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:58 pm
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Unfortunately it wasn’t Alec Baldwin who was killed.

Western movie. Police are investigating.

Violate the rules, people die.

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“Actor Alec...

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Poor Baldwin, apparently married to a witch. Shuts him up in public.
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Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:41 pm
Ouch this must hurt

Last post by Boxerrider « Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:08 am
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by philip964 » Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:56 pm

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Officer disarming a cooperative man at a traffic stop, shoots him with his own gun. Video.

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Agreed, and I fear that the officers least skilled at handling a gun are the ones most likely to want others disarmed.

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Last post by Boxerrider
Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:08 am
TX: Houston 11 yo accidentally killed by young relative playing with a gun. Happened again.

Last post by philip964 « Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:00 am
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by philip964 » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:51 pm

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4 friends playing with a gun when it accidentally just fired, by it self, while it pointed itself at the head or heart of one of the young men....

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17 yo takes out gun to show 3 other young relatives. 11 year old shot and killed by other relative holding the gun and pulling the trigger....

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Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:00 am
Philly guard kills BG w/ pistol mag dump + multi shotgun rounds.

Last post by FastCarry « Thu May 02, 2024 10:26 am
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by surprise_i'm_armed » Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:34 pm

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The above is a text description of a very violent shootout that happened in Philadelphia, PA. I will try to find the video for this.

The...

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Apparently he was known in the area for trailering around a bbq pit and setting up in parking lots to sell bbq. He had already been told to move...

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Thu May 02, 2024 10:26 am
Idaho gal, 85, kills BG w/ 2 rounds of .357. She's hit w/ 9MM.

Last post by RPBrown « Wed May 01, 2024 6:37 am
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by surprise_i'm_armed » Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:24 pm

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Wow, I love it when the good people win. Wow, 85 years old, handcuffed, and manages to kill a BG with 2 rounds of .357. You go girl!!

SIA

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Love it when a plan comes together and the BG loses. Good job :woohoo

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Wed May 01, 2024 6:37 am
Acorn Falls and Gun Fire Ensues

Last post by The Annoyed Man « Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:06 pm
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by carlson1 » Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:46 pm
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Turns out that acorn boy is a West Point graduate, 2 tour Afghanistan vet, and is actually a pretty good guy. He’s so upset at how he reacted that he...
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Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:06 pm
Off duty LEO's negligent discharge: ricochet hits his belly.

Last post by carlson1 « Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:47 pm
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by surprise_i'm_armed » Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:58 pm

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Poor gun handling here resulted in bodily injury.

The LEO was in the elevator with his wife. He had his handgun out of his holster (did he really...

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:iagree:

The more you handle your firearm the more chances you have of a ND/AD.

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Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:47 pm
7-11 Robbery Suspect Failed

Last post by The Annoyed Man « Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:23 pm
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by carlson1 » Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:41 pm

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Robbery suspect picked a bad place at a bad time. He want try this again for a while. Police showed up and acted quickly.

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West Covina is a town neighboring the one I grew up in—Glendora. Not that it matters, but I found it interesting.

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Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:23 pm
Darwin working hard

Last post by Rafe « Tue Dec 19, 2023 2:45 pm
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by philip964 » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:54 am

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Shot himself in the neck with a shotgun after firing gun in the air while trying to kick girlfriend...

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Saturday night, bro. Whaddya wanna do?
Dunno, man. But I'm sure bored.
Wait! I got it! Let's go have a full-sized SUV roll over us! We've never...

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Last post by Rafe
Tue Dec 19, 2023 2:45 pm
Frisco - Brain surgeon shot at 8 PM with the family home awake.

Last post by surprise_i'm_armed « Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:54 am
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by surprise_i'm_armed » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:10 pm

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I know the guy who lives in this house.

The bad guy was from NRH (North Richland Hills), which is 39 miles from the house he home invaded....

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I have seen the perp's mugshot, but I may or may not be able to post it on this thread.

He is an Anglo, looks middle class, 6'1 , 155 pounds.
His...

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Last post by surprise_i'm_armed
Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:54 am
Why I Press Check Always... But Once

Last post by Jose_in_Dallas « Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:37 pm
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by Dragonfighter » Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:38 am

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I think some of y'all know I switched back to 1911 as my EDC (I guess the testosterone treatments are working). I also posted once upon a time asking...

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Well I can tell you that when I did press check, it was just enough to confirm I had a bullet in the chamber. I used to do it fairly frequently, not...

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Last post by Jose_in_Dallas
Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:37 pm
OK: Mom shoots at stray dog kills daughter instead

Last post by orionengnr « Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:36 pm
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by philip964 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:59 pm

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Oklahoma woman shoots daughter dead while aiming for stray dog

In the dark outside. Know your target.

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Unfortunate, but not unheard-of.
Somewhat similar incident in DFW (Arlington?) recently.
Four Rules for a reason, but you have to observe all four.

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Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:36 pm
Shooting At Arlington Honda Dealership

Last post by Rafe « Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:19 pm
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by carlson1 » Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:47 pm

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Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:19 pm
Oakland, CA: 75 year old gal with .357 unhurt by BG's 17-20 rounds.

Last post by Rafe « Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:56 pm
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by surprise_i'm_armed » Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:10 pm

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I love it when the good people win. She fired only 1 round from her .357. They shot back with 17-20 rounds, and did not hit her.

You go girl!

SIA

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In case anything could make you want to visit Oakland even more, this was posted less than an hour ago:

What a great video for the Oakland Bureau...

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Last post by Rafe
Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:56 pm
Citizen shoots 3 robbers in a Houston gas station

Last post by puma guy « Sat May 27, 2023 6:39 pm
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by The Annoyed Man » Sat May 27, 2023 2:36 pm

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A kind of strange video, with a robotic sounding narrator, but an interesting story used to support the RKBA…

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Very strange video. Viewed a couple of the local news vids from April, but haven't found any updated news or videos.

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Sat May 27, 2023 6:39 pm
Superintendent leaves gun in restroom

Last post by wheelgun1958 « Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:14 pm
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by troglodyte » Sun Feb 19, 2023 8:09 am
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Other than the obvious error of leaving a gun, the article states that he open carried at school. Or maybe I'm reading it wrong or, quite possibly,...

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Eddie Eagle?
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Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:14 pm
17-year-old steals gun from man at Dunkin’, shoots him to death in parking lot

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by Grayling813 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:18 pm

17-year-old steals gun from man at Dunkin’, shoots him to death in parking lot

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Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:18 pm
Do not bring a gun into an MRI room with you

Last post by chamberc « Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:10 pm
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by philip964 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:36 pm

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Magnet pulled the gun from his waist band where the Lawyer was keeping it and it then discharged, striking him in the abdomen. He died at the...

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You'll be asked if you have any foreign metal objects in your body in the questionnaire on the day of the MRI.

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Last post by chamberc
Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:10 pm
Abilene Alley Shooter Sentenced

Last post by RKirkwood « Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:03 pm
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by dlh » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:58 pm

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Did not see the update elsewhere if so my bad:

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I don't understand how they both weren't sent to jail. From what I saw from the video there was no reason to shoot and even if there was the son...

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Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:03 pm
KS: Dog shoots owner in front seat by stepping on rifle

Last post by Rafe « Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:46 pm
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by philip964 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 12:54 am

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Dog was in back seat.

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Beg your pardon. That there is an illegal camouflaged semi-automatic assault dog. Things like that have no business being in the hands of anyone but...

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Last post by Rafe
Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:46 pm
This is why you should carry in a holster

Last post by Dragonfighter « Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:21 am
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by RPBrown » Tue Aug 23, 2022 7:11 am

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Man has gun in waistband with no holster and it starts to slide down his leg. In trying to stop it he apparently pulls trigger :banghead:

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I made a run (probably 20 years ago) where a hispanic dude was carrying a 1911 at 12 O'clock and had a few beers on board. He was going to show off...

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Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:21 am
TX: Houston toddler shoots self in Park with 5 adults present

Last post by philip964 « Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:50 pm

by philip964 » Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:50 pm

Five adult men one toddler in park at 3:30pm in the afternoon on a Thursday. Toddler shoots self in hand with one of the adult men’s guns.

Nothing...

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Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:50 pm
IN: 6 yo shoots 5 yo sister in head after parent take him shooting

Last post by philip964 « Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:17 pm

by philip964 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:17 pm

Got key to gun safe while mom napping. Parents arrested.

We can’t catch a break.

Boy, 15, shot dead his three siblings then turned the gun on...

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Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:17 pm
Video: GA Afghan vet uses AR-15 in long shootout w/ BG's.

Last post by surprise_i'm_armed « Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:41 pm

by surprise_i'm_armed » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:41 pm

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Kudos to this US military veteran, who used his AR-15 to defend his household. That BMW got quite perforated.

I was surprised at 2 things in...

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Last post by surprise_i'm_armed
Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:41 pm
Chicago mass shooting at 4th of July parade

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Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:21 pm
TX: Uncle taught 9 yo how to rack the slide

Last post by Soccerdad1995 « Mon May 16, 2022 10:24 pm
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by philip964 » Tue May 03, 2022 3:09 pm

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Then left the gun unattended and 9 yo murdered his 4 yo brother.

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My kids learned how to rack slides and also how to disassemble and reassemble various firearms before they were 9. They also learned the gun safety...

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Mon May 16, 2022 10:24 pm
3 arrested in road rage shootout on I30 near Rockwall

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by AndyC1911 » Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:46 pm

More at

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Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:46 pm
Concealed is concealed

Last post by RoyGBiv « Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:11 am
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by philip964 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:46 pm

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Man raises his hands to cheer at state wrestling tournament and exposes his gun on TV.

Fifth degree felony, not arrested yet.

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Oops...

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Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:11 am
TX: Grandbury toddler shoots mom and baby sister in car at Walmart

Last post by Paladin « Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:46 pm
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by philip964 » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:57 am

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Please people don’t be stupid with your guns around children.

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That is both stupid and illegal

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Last post by Paladin
Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:46 pm
Bad Shoot

Last post by The Annoyed Man « Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:06 am
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by carlson1 » Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:12 pm

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I am kind of like the commentators where I try not to comment on too many shootings that have police involved because me having background in law...

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I could have sworn that Correia has stated in a number of his videos that he was with Phoenix PD. Maybe I misunderstood him. Regardless, I’ve found...

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Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:06 am
In Memory of Pearl Harbor

Last post by crazy2medic « Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:14 am
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by 03Lightningrocks » Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:54 am

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Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:14 am
WY: Not having one in the pipe may have led to this poor man’s death.

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by philip964 » Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:46 pm

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2 Grizzly bears attacked after being drawn to the sent of a bow killed Elk.

Empty canister of bear spray found near his body. At some point the...

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.357 for pigs. If I was in bear country my preference would be along the lines of what you posted.

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Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:15 am
Lubbock Shooting, Self Defense?

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by Caliber » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:10 pm

I say that's not self defense and the shooter is in trouble. What you say?

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Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:13 pm
I said something stupid

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by olafpfj » Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:41 pm
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I have a no soliciting sign on my front door. Despite that, some people still knock and that is what happened this morning. I answered the door to...

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Bawaaahahaha... back when my daughter lived at home, forever ago, the UPS guy new her by her first name. I can relate.
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Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:56 am
TX: Houston mom sends her 11 and 10 year old boys to retrieve something from her car

Last post by philip964 « Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:52 pm

by philip964 » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:52 pm

Yeah, they find the gun in the car and the 10 year old is dead.

Don’t do this - please.

I know I’m preaching to the choir.

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Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:52 pm
You aren't doing anything wrong if no one knows what you're doing.

Last post by flechero « Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:14 pm
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by Paladin » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:56 pm

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There is a reason why proper tactical training includes checking your six before you get up from the kneeling position:

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Anyone ID the gun of the white guy? Could we have a glock jamming on camera? :lol:

(there wasn't anything else to add to the near tragedy)

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Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:14 pm
Houston, Texas, Mom Shoots At Aggressive Dog And Misses Horribly

Last post by crazy2medic « Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:26 am
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by oljames3 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:28 am

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Active Self Protection narrated video.

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Unfortunately these dogs are acquired by people that fail to teach the dogs manners or worse, want them to be aggressive! A dog especially a big dog...

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Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:26 am
TX: Waller Co. Fire Marshall kills volunteer fire fighter while showing off his rifle

Last post by ELB « Mon May 31, 2021 3:51 pm
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by philip964 » Fri May 28, 2021 12:04 am

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Removed magazine pointed it and pulled the trigger killing the firefighter.

Charged with manslaughter.

When you break a rule people die. Break...

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Waller County has some kind of voodoo hex on it, I believe.

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Mon May 31, 2021 3:51 pm
Pocket Gun Is Fired - Should Never Happen

Last post by ELB « Wed May 19, 2021 11:26 am
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by carlson1 » Tue May 18, 2021 10:43 pm

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Wed May 19, 2021 11:26 am
The danger of unknown quality surplus ammo

Last post by Paladin « Mon May 03, 2021 2:32 pm
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by Grayling813 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:21 am

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Last post by Paladin
Mon May 03, 2021 2:32 pm
Why Use Eye Protection

Last post by Weldonjr2001 « Sat May 01, 2021 9:54 am
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by carlson1 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:13 am
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I used to be the “one” who hated eye protection. It has been years if not decades that I begin to always wear eye protection of some kind.

I seen...

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Not nearly as extreme as the OP example, but several years back I had an ejected .45 casing fly back, hit me in the right eye, and
knock out my...
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Sat May 01, 2021 9:54 am
Attempted carjacking?

Last post by PUCKER « Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:43 am
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by jmra » Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:59 pm

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We were recently in Little Rock for a family members wedding. We attended the rehearsal dinner and then visited with family.
Heading back to the...

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Agreed. Please do. My cousin is a Lt. Detective with Little Rock PD. Any suspicious contact is worth reporting, the more details (and location) you...

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Last post by PUCKER
Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:43 am
TX: 8 month old killed by 3 yo brother in Houston

Last post by philip964 « Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:11 pm

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Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:11 pm
Georgia teen accidentally shot to death during target practice

Last post by Keith B « Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:00 pm
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by philip964 » Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:04 am

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Had just picked up her cap and gown for graduation.

Everyone cooperating with police. Not taught gun safety rules.

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Texas law is allowing access to a person YOUNGER than 17. Georgia is below 18. I disagree with these laws in some aspects, because I was shooting and...

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Last post by Keith B
Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:00 pm
TX: Houston man murders his sister while showing her his new gun

Last post by Lynyrd « Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:28 pm
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by philip964 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:56 pm

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Gun was unloaded and the safety was on when it just went off when he pointed it at his sister.

I think we need the death penalty for stupid. Might...

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Even if the gun had been unloaded, and on safe, only an idiot points a gun at anyone they don't intend to shoot. Rule #1: don't point the gun at...

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Last post by Lynyrd
Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:28 pm
TX: Houston man sets gun on table it then shoots and kills him

Last post by Rafe « Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:48 pm
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by philip964 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:45 am

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Love news writers today Richmond and Westheimer parallel each other, so no idea sort of where this happened.

And then you have the issue of the gun...

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I believe it might be the new Dominion Corp. premium XCast® drop-in trigger systems. I heard there's a recall now because for every round you shoot...

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Last post by Rafe
Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:48 pm
NY Range Safety Officer Killed by Negligent Discharge During USPSA Competition

Last post by oljames3 « Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:30 am
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by AndyC » Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:52 am

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Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:30 am
TX: Plano dog shoots owner in thigh

Last post by carlson1 « Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:25 pm
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by philip964 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:15 am

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Gun in waistband, lifting dog.

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Glocks are not for everyone just like 1911’s are not for everyone. I love my 1911’s, but when I found the Shadow Systems and that I could change the...

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Last post by carlson1
Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:25 pm
FL: mistaking an intruder mans kills pregnant wife

Last post by 03Lightningrocks « Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:34 am
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by philip964 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:34 am

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Stupid and so tragic.

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I agree. This looks suspicious. I would bet the local police handling this are thinking the same thing.

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Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:34 am

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