Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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Oldgringo wrote:
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JALLEN wrote:
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JALLEN wrote:One factor is that for all anyone knew, this was part of the show, given the violence and action of modern movies.
The thought would cross my mind, but I'd probably conclude that people actually getting shot disproves the theory.

You can't put your audience in a position where a reasonable person sitting in the crowd might think their life was being threatened because, while some or even most of those people will sit there and passively observe the show, you'll eventually come across someone who, not knowing that it's fake, reacts accordingly.
I dunno. Remember the Wild West show staged shoot-outs many of us have seen, live. Very real looking, at least to an inexperienced observer.

And, with guns forbidden, who is going to do anything drastic?
Yeah, but that was a staged Wild West show, and we knew that going into it. This was a movie... if it didn't happen on film and the sound isn't coming from the speakers, it's not part of the show.
You know that, do you?
It's best to assume so. That way you're less likely to get killed by the fire you thought was just a special effect.

Oh, I almost forgot... This is why I avoid places where such antics are likely... It's too hard to tell sometimes who's an actual threat and who's just someone acting out.
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Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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jrandyw wrote:It was just my computer being a pain. I managed to get a screen cap now, not that I doubted your word JALLEN. Thanks for paying close attention.
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Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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dcfis wrote:Just because they showed this one receipt with the obvious and stated reason to prove in a hurry expedited shipping DOES NOT mean this was the only thing he was wearing. If that were the case then this receipt proves he wasnt wearing that throat protection or that Helmet or a gas mask. Which we know he was.
Valid point. I do think it introduces the possibility that he wasn't wearing a bullet proof vest, but it doesn't prove it.
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Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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C-dub wrote:
jrandyw wrote:It was just my computer being a pain. I managed to get a screen cap now, not that I doubted your word JALLEN. Thanks for paying close attention.
Screen shot 2012-07-22 at 6.32.23 PM.jpg
Screen caps in Windows press CTRL-PrintScreen and then paste into an image editor (like Paint). Mac, CMD-SHIFT-3.
So that's what Blackhawk was doing instead of filling my order for just a belt. My belt has been on back order for four months and I just found out this past Thursday that it might not be until December. I cancelled the order. It wasn't "out of stock" until I placed the order. When the order confirmation arrived in an e-mail was the first time I was notified of its out of stock status.
OT, but...

C-dub, I had the same thing happen when I tried to order mine (the $30 plain black one). A friend of mine that was ordering the same belt called them and was told they had the "gator skin" one in stock and they switched our orders to those and they shipped almost immediately. Just a little FYI in case they still have the gator print in stock. Its barely noticeable if you're not looking at it up close.
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Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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jrandyw wrote:
dcfis wrote:Just because they showed this one receipt with the obvious and stated reason to prove in a hurry expedited shipping DOES NOT mean this was the only thing he was wearing. If that were the case then this receipt proves he wasnt wearing that throat protection or that Helmet or a gas mask. Which we know he was.
Valid point. I do think it introduces the possibility that he wasn't wearing a bullet proof vest, but it doesn't prove it.
Yeah, the press gets stuff about guns so wrong, it wouldn't surprise me if they confused a TACTICAL VEST with a "BULLETPROOF VEST", either. :roll:
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Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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gras wrote:
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Right2Carry wrote:Someone needs to follow the money. Where did this unemployed kid get the funds to purchase multiple weapons, ammo, body armor, riot helmit, gas mask, neck and groin protector, and sophisticated bomb making materials?
Based on what we know, it's possible he got everything from Holder and Obama. Not directly from their hands, but at their direction. If it was part of Fast and Furious, it explains why Obama didn't want those documents to see the light of day. Continuing the coverup only makes sense if there's more to the plot than providing guns to Mexican drug gangs. For example if they have other plans like this in motion.
Yeah sure, in other new Bush was behind the 9/11 and anthrax attacks.
That sounds like something an Obama supporter would say to distract attention from the truth. :roll:

From where I sit, there's strong evidence Obama and Holder were willing to provide guns for gangs to murder innocent Mexicans, because they could use the crisis they manufactured to push their attack on the Bill of Rights. Orchestrating something like this for the same agenda would be totally in character for men like that.
Yeaahh sure. I have stated many times I will not be voting for Obama in November. I think you are off your rocker if you really think that Obama was behind this, it helps nothing and makes you and people on the extreme right seem even more crazy. That type of politicization helps no one and is not productive. I think it is treasonous to suggest that a sitting President was behind the massacre,if you truly believe that, there is nothing I can do to help you and I would personally suggest professional help as you seem to have a disconnect from reality.
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Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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philip964 wrote:
What if the right to, buy, own and possess a gun was restricted to those men who are at least 25, unless they received a yearly clean bill of mental health from a licensed psychiatrist. And it would be illegal to sell a gun to a male unless they were 25 or possessed a clean bill of mental health card from a licensed psychiatrist.
I was out of town at a friend's wedding and didn't see this little gem, so I apologize for bringing it up from 3 or 4 pages back.

On a personal level: I am a 25 year old male and have had my CHL for 3 years.

Just to turn this around a bit, I think everyone over the age of 70 should be required to pass a vision test and a practical driving test with a licensed DPS official every year before they're allowed to obtain a drivers license. :biggrinjester:


But seriously: The idea is completely foolish.

1)Some psychiatrists are firmly anti gun and would abuse their ability to deny people their 2nd amendment rights.

2) Anyone who possesses even a modicum of intellect can defeat the sillly basic spectrum of questions they ask. You don't say that anything makes you angry, or resentful, or that you often imagine yourself as the omnipotent king of the cheese people on moon base 3.

As to the idea of "getting out in front of this" and providing alternatives:

I don't care who is telling me more gun control is the solution, whether they're a gun owner or not. An alternative proposal to further restrict our freedoms from somone nominally on "our side" is worse than a suggestion from the Brady Campaign.

To end before I get on a huge rant about the subject....No. Just no. :???:
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Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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JALLEN wrote:One factor is that for all anyone knew, this was part of the show, given the violence and action of modern movies.
I'll bet nobody ever thinks that anymore.
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Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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Heartland Patriot wrote:
jrandyw wrote:
dcfis wrote:Just because they showed this one receipt with the obvious and stated reason to prove in a hurry expedited shipping DOES NOT mean this was the only thing he was wearing. If that were the case then this receipt proves he wasnt wearing that throat protection or that Helmet or a gas mask. Which we know he was.
Valid point. I do think it introduces the possibility that he wasn't wearing a bullet proof vest, but it doesn't prove it.
Yeah, the press gets stuff about guns so wrong, it wouldn't surprise me if they confused a TACTICAL VEST with a "BULLETPROOF VEST", either. :roll:
The press probably uses this to identify guns.


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Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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The Mad Moderate wrote:
gras wrote:
The Mad Moderate wrote:
Bart wrote:
Right2Carry wrote:Someone needs to follow the money. Where did this unemployed kid get the funds to purchase multiple weapons, ammo, body armor, riot helmit, gas mask, neck and groin protector, and sophisticated bomb making materials?
Based on what we know, it's possible he got everything from Holder and Obama. Not directly from their hands, but at their direction. If it was part of Fast and Furious, it explains why Obama didn't want those documents to see the light of day. Continuing the coverup only makes sense if there's more to the plot than providing guns to Mexican drug gangs. For example if they have other plans like this in motion.
Yeah sure, in other new Bush was behind the 9/11 and anthrax attacks.
That sounds like something an Obama supporter would say to distract attention from the truth. :roll:

From where I sit, there's strong evidence Obama and Holder were willing to provide guns for gangs to murder innocent Mexicans, because they could use the crisis they manufactured to push their attack on the Bill of Rights. Orchestrating something like this for the same agenda would be totally in character for men like that.
Yeaahh sure. I have stated many times I will not be voting for Obama in November. I think you are off your rocker if you really think that Obama was behind this, it helps nothing and makes you and people on the extreme right seem even more crazy. That type of politicization helps no one and is not productive. I think it is treasonous to suggest that a sitting President was behind the massacre,if you truly believe that, there is nothing I can do to help you and I would personally suggest professional help as you seem to have a disconnect from reality.
Gotta agree with Mad Moderate on this one too.

I don't like Obama any more than any of the other Conservatives on here, but I don't think making rash statements like, "Obama had a hand in this," is productive. I would place statements like that along the lines of some of the statements my grandfather makes about Obama such as:

"Obama was born in Kenya, he isn't even American."
"Obama has his dog fly on a separate airplane because Muslim's can't fly on the same plane as a dog."

Statements like this are ridiculous, no where close to credible, and supported by no factual evidence. I am not saying that Obama's reputation is pristine, and I think the guy is crooked as can be as far as politicians go... but there is no sense in stirring up folks with nonsense. It is no different than many of the liberals we hate so much making statements to the effect of, "Pro-CHL states have a higher crime rate due to more guns in circulation."

Lets stick with what we know and can prove!
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Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

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Heartland Patriot wrote:
jrandyw wrote:
dcfis wrote:Just because they showed this one receipt with the obvious and stated reason to prove in a hurry expedited shipping DOES NOT mean this was the only thing he was wearing. If that were the case then this receipt proves he wasnt wearing that throat protection or that Helmet or a gas mask. Which we know he was.
Valid point. I do think it introduces the possibility that he wasn't wearing a bullet proof vest, but it doesn't prove it.
Yeah, the press gets stuff about guns so wrong, it wouldn't surprise me if they confused a TACTICAL VEST with a "BULLETPROOF VEST", either. :roll:

Good thing it was the Chief of Police Oates own words at the presser then. :roll:
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snatchel wrote: "Obama has his dog fly on a separate airplane because Muslim's can't fly on the same plane as a dog."
Off topic, but...
Did you know Obama's dog is named "Bo", Not "Beau". Know why? "Bo" stands for "Barack Obama". How much conceit does it take to name your dog after your own initials? :willynilly:
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dcfis wrote:
Heartland Patriot wrote:
jrandyw wrote:
dcfis wrote:Just because they showed this one receipt with the obvious and stated reason to prove in a hurry expedited shipping DOES NOT mean this was the only thing he was wearing. If that were the case then this receipt proves he wasnt wearing that throat protection or that Helmet or a gas mask. Which we know he was.
Valid point. I do think it introduces the possibility that he wasn't wearing a bullet proof vest, but it doesn't prove it.
Yeah, the press gets stuff about guns so wrong, it wouldn't surprise me if they confused a TACTICAL VEST with a "BULLETPROOF VEST", either. :roll:

Good thing it was the Chief of Police Oates own words at the presser then. :roll:
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sjfcontrol wrote: Off topic, but...
Did you know Obama's dog is named "Bo", Not "Beau". Know why? "Bo" stands for "Barack Obama". How much conceit does it take to name your dog after your own initials? :willynilly:
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Heartland Patriot wrote:I would love to practice rapid fire...I would love to practice double-taps...I would love to practice drawing and firing...but I have nowhere to practice any of that, other that dry fire, which isn't the same. :grumble
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