Keene, TX LEO's chestcam documents troublesome drama queen.

[bizarrenormality]

I agree that the LEO could have handled things differently or better, but I stand by my previous statement. He did not use excessive force or do anything else illegal or wrong. Putting it back on the woman who was stopped. Could she have handled things differently or better? I think so.

The media is trying [sucessfully] to make this something more than it is. It is a legal traffic stop where the person is failing to do what is legally required. Does her age, or the fact that she is a grandmother give her any special rights or privleges to disobey the lawful commands of an LEO? I think not.

He probably treated her more gently than a 20 year old Black man would get treated if he behaved like she did. Maybe next time the police should treat her like they would treat a minority youth and see if she likes that better.

She did get treated more gently than a minority youth. What is your beef?

My beef is anti-LEO propagandists pretending she was mistreated when actually she got more gentle treatment.

[jmra]

The key word here to me is de-escalation. The officer did nothing whatsoever to de-escalate the situation.

A simple, "Ma'am, I understand your physical problem and I am going to make this as quick as possible so we can get you on your way" may have moved things right along. Instead the officer jumped straight to ultimatums.

I believe some sensitivity training is in this officers best interest.

[Jim Beaux]

I agree that the LEO could have handled things differently or better, but I stand by my previous statement. He did not use excessive force or do anything else illegal or wrong. Putting it back on the woman who was stopped. Could she have handled things differently or better? I think so.

The media is trying [sucessfully] to make this something more than it is. It is a legal traffic stop where the person is failing to do what is legally required. Does her age, or the fact that she is a grandmother give her any special rights or privleges to disobey the lawful commands of an LEO? I think not.

He probably treated her more gently than a 20 year old Black man would get treated if he behaved like she did. Maybe next time the police should treat her like they would treat a minority youth and see if she likes that better.

Why would race have anything to do with this? It's reasonable to expect that any 20 year old male behaving this way would be treated with less deference due to the fact they pose different potential threats.

I suspect any ethnic acting respectfully to this cop would have been treated better. Heck, I find he is easier to deal with the the typical post office employee! (awww shaddup it's a joke for pete's sake)

[Jim Beaux]

The key word here to me is de-escalation. The officer did nothing whatsoever to de-escalate the situation.

A simple, "Ma'am, I understand your physical problem and I am going to make this as quick as possible so we can get you on your way" may have moved things right along. Instead the officer jumped straight to ultimatums.

I believe some sensitivity training is in this officers best interest.

Very good point.

[WildBill]

I agree that the LEO could have handled things differently or better, but I stand by my previous statement. He did not use excessive force or do anything else illegal or wrong. Putting it back on the woman who was stopped. Could she have handled things differently or better? I think so.

The media is trying [sucessfully] to make this something more than it is. It is a legal traffic stop where the person is failing to do what is legally required. Does her age, or the fact that she is a grandmother give her any special rights or privleges to disobey the lawful commands of an LEO? I think not.

He probably treated her more gently than a 20 year old Black man would get treated if he behaved like she did. Maybe next time the police should treat her like they would treat a minority youth and see if she likes that better.

She did get treated more gently than a minority youth. What is your beef?

My beef is anti-LEO propagandists pretending she was mistreated when actually she got more gentle treatment.

Then, I guess that we agree.

[Bullwhip]

The key word here to me is de-escalation. The officer did nothing whatsoever to de-escalate the situation.

A simple, "Ma'am, I understand your physical problem and I am going to make this as quick as possible so we can get you on your way" may have moved things right along. Instead the officer jumped straight to ultimatums.

I believe some sensitivity training is in this officers best interest.

Yep I counted 10 seconds from the first time he asked for her license until he yanked open the door and started pulling her out. Not a long time for her to be a drama queen. If he can't deal with a difficult old lady for 10 seconds without getting physical he needs a new job.

[JJVP]

The key word here to me is de-escalation. The officer did nothing whatsoever to de-escalate the situation.

A simple, "Ma'am, I understand your physical problem and I am going to make this as quick as possible so we can get you on your way" may have moved things right along. Instead the officer jumped straight to ultimatums.

I believe some sensitivity training is in this officers best interest.

[WildBill]

The key word here to me is de-escalation. The officer did nothing whatsoever to de-escalate the situation.

A simple, "Ma'am, I understand your physical problem and I am going to make this as quick as possible so we can get you on your way" may have moved things right along. Instead the officer jumped straight to ultimatums.

I believe some sensitivity training is in this officers best interest.

Yep I counted 10 seconds from the first time he asked for her license until he yanked open the door and started pulling her out. Not a long time for her to be a drama queen. If he can't deal with a difficult old lady for 10 seconds without getting physical he needs a new job.

Sometimes 10 seconds go by in the blink of an eye. Sometimes 10 seconds seem like an eternity. Sometimes 15 seconds is eternity.

Earlier this month, California CHP Officer Kenyon Youngstrom pulled over Christoper Lacy, a 36 year old White male, for an obstructed license plate. Lacy, who has no criminal record, was a software engineer who graduated from San Francisco State University in 2005 with a 3.79 GPA.

I do not know what happened in the first 10 seconds of the "routine traffic stop", but at 15 seconds, Lacy pulled out a handgun and fatally shot the CHP officer in the neck. In the next 5 seconds Youngstrom's beat partner, Officer Tyler Carlton, ran up to the passenger side of the vehicle and shot the BG dead.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio ... id=8799626" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[WildBill]

The LEO stops a 77 year old church-playing piano grandma for doing 66 in a 50 MPH zone.

Sorry, I thought she played the violin.

[Superman]

To everyone taking the old lady's side...

I back the officer on this one. She had an attitude and contempt for the law that I can easily see the officer taking the reaction he did. We all like to tout our mantra "when seconds count...", so I'm surprised to hear the "I counted 10 seconds, that's not much time" stuff, or that he needs sensitivity training...and how do we know that the officer wasn't afraid of the old lady pulling a gun on him? It's happened before from older people than her and all caught on video as well. If he is uncomfortable with her (and I would have been too), he has every right to do exactly what he did in response to her actions.

This all boils down to respect for authority and she had none of it. It's one of the greatest problems we have with this latest generation growing up (and yes, I know she is not in that generation...far from it ). If my son or daughter acted like that old lady to a police officer, I would be ashamed, would have punished them for it and made them apologize to the officer.

Just my 2 cents...

[SewTexas]

She was a "w"itch to the officer....sorry....given her attitude the officer had absolutely no idea if she had a weapon in the car next to her...I'm surprise he didn't pull his on her....

want to know how she could have gotten out of the ticket and to the next potty quickly?

"here are my id and reg officer, I'm so sorry I was speeding, I've got an infection and just need to get to the restroom as quickly as possible"
"I'm sorry you're not feeling well, ma'am. Give me just a moment......Here are your papers, ma'am. And here is your warning...slow it down a bit, there is a clean restroom just a mile down the road. I hope you're feel better soon"

Gee....a whole lot quicker, ya' think?

[Heartland Patriot]

The key word here to me is de-escalation. The officer did nothing whatsoever to de-escalate the situation.

A simple, "Ma'am, I understand your physical problem and I am going to make this as quick as possible so we can get you on your way" may have moved things right along. Instead the officer jumped straight to ultimatums.

I believe some sensitivity training is in this officers best interest.

Yep I counted 10 seconds from the first time he asked for her license until he yanked open the door and started pulling her out. Not a long time for her to be a drama queen. If he can't deal with a difficult old lady for 10 seconds without getting physical he needs a new job.

Sometimes 10 seconds go by in the blink of an eye. Sometimes 10 seconds seem like an eternity. Sometimes 15 seconds is eternity.

Earlier this month, California CHP Officer Kenyon Youngstrom pulled over Christoper Lacy, a 36 year old White male, for an obstructed license plate. Lacy, who has no criminal record, was a software engineer who graduated from San Francisco State University in 2005 with a 3.79 GPA.

I do not know what happened in the first 10 seconds of the "routine traffic stop", but at 15 seconds, Lacy pulled out a handgun and fatally shot the CHP officer in the neck. In the next 5 seconds Youngstrom's beat partner, Officer Tyler Carlton, ran up to the passenger side of the vehicle and shot the BG dead.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio ... id=8799626" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OT, but this one just does NOT make a whole lot of sense...maybe drugs?

[WildBill]

The key word here to me is de-escalation. The officer did nothing whatsoever to de-escalate the situation.

A simple, "Ma'am, I understand your physical problem and I am going to make this as quick as possible so we can get you on your way" may have moved things right along. Instead the officer jumped straight to ultimatums.

I believe some sensitivity training is in this officers best interest.

Yep I counted 10 seconds from the first time he asked for her license until he yanked open the door and started pulling her out. Not a long time for her to be a drama queen. If he can't deal with a difficult old lady for 10 seconds without getting physical he needs a new job.

Sometimes 10 seconds go by in the blink of an eye. Sometimes 10 seconds seem like an eternity. Sometimes 15 seconds is eternity.

Earlier this month, California CHP Officer Kenyon Youngstrom pulled over Christoper Lacy, a 36 year old White male, for an obstructed license plate. Lacy, who has no criminal record, was a software engineer who graduated from San Francisco State University in 2005 with a 3.79 GPA.

I do not know what happened in the first 10 seconds of the "routine traffic stop", but at 15 seconds, Lacy pulled out a handgun and fatally shot the CHP officer in the neck. In the next 5 seconds Youngstrom's beat partner, Officer Tyler Carlton, ran up to the passenger side of the vehicle and shot the BG dead.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio ... id=8799626" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OT, but this one just does NOT make a whole lot of sense...maybe drugs?

My post was OT. It may be because he was not taking [his presription] drugs.

[Heartland Patriot]

The key word here to me is de-escalation. The officer did nothing whatsoever to de-escalate the situation.

A simple, "Ma'am, I understand your physical problem and I am going to make this as quick as possible so we can get you on your way" may have moved things right along. Instead the officer jumped straight to ultimatums.

I believe some sensitivity training is in this officers best interest.

Yep I counted 10 seconds from the first time he asked for her license until he yanked open the door and started pulling her out. Not a long time for her to be a drama queen. If he can't deal with a difficult old lady for 10 seconds without getting physical he needs a new job.

Sometimes 10 seconds go by in the blink of an eye. Sometimes 10 seconds seem like an eternity. Sometimes 15 seconds is eternity.

Earlier this month, California CHP Officer Kenyon Youngstrom pulled over Christoper Lacy, a 36 year old White male, for an obstructed license plate. Lacy, who has no criminal record, was a software engineer who graduated from San Francisco State University in 2005 with a 3.79 GPA.

I do not know what happened in the first 10 seconds of the "routine traffic stop", but at 15 seconds, Lacy pulled out a handgun and fatally shot the CHP officer in the neck. In the next 5 seconds Youngstrom's beat partner, Officer Tyler Carlton, ran up to the passenger side of the vehicle and shot the BG dead.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio ... id=8799626" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OT, but this one just does NOT make a whole lot of sense...maybe drugs?

My post was OT. It may be because he was not taking [his presription] drugs.

Its okay, I guess with the bit about lithium in the article, NOT taking his meds makes sense.

[jmra]

To everyone taking the old lady's side...

I back the officer on this one. She had an attitude and contempt for the law that I can easily see the officer taking the reaction he did. We all like to tout our mantra "when seconds count...", so I'm surprised to hear the "I counted 10 seconds, that's not much time" stuff, or that he needs sensitivity training...and how do we know that the officer wasn't afraid of the old lady pulling a gun on him? It's happened before from older people than her and all caught on video as well. If he is uncomfortable with her (and I would have been too), he has every right to do exactly what he did in response to her actions.

This all boils down to respect for authority and she had none of it. It's one of the greatest problems we have with this latest generation growing up (and yes, I know she is not in that generation...far from it ). If my son or daughter acted like that old lady to a police officer, I would be ashamed, would have punished them for it and made them apologize to the officer.

Just my 2 cents...

I'm not taking the woman's side, I'm simply saying that the officer could have talked this down or at least tried before issuing ultimatums. His supervisor obviously felt that she did not need to go to jail given the fact that he released her after his arrival.