65 year old bicyclist attacked by thugs, kills 1, wounds 1

[Pawpaw]

How about a 5.11 Tactical Holster Shirt?

If you get the right size, it will hold the gun tight to your side. You can easily carry a full size pistol and a couple of spare mags (under the other arm) and forget they're there. Just use a zippered sweatshirt jacket (hoodie?) to cover it up.

Just be sure to get it much smaller than your normal size. I'm 6' tall and 260 pounds. I normally wear a 2X T-shirt (3X for concealment). My Holster Shirts are XL. I tried a 2X and it is just a bit too loose, with the weight of the pistol pulling on it.

[chasfm11]

How about a 5.11 Tactical Holster Shirt?

If you get the right size, it will hold the gun tight to your side. You can easily carry a full size pistol and a couple of spare mags (under the other arm) and forget they're there. Just use a zippered sweatshirt jacket (hoodie?) to cover it up.

Just be sure to get it much smaller than your normal size. I'm 6' tall and 260 pounds. I normally wear a 2X T-shirt (3X for concealment). My Holster Shirts are XL. I tried a 2X and it is just a bit too loose, with the weight of the pistol pulling on it.

It looks like a great option. How about a couple of questions:

1. Most of the time that I would have a concealment issue, it would in the Summer. A zippered sweatshirt is definitely not going to work for me then as a cover garment.
2. How well does the pistol stay put in the pocket? I deliberately pump several hills during my rides and that means standing on the pedals. There is a lot of body movement. A pistol sliding around on my side would likely make me nervous.
3. It says that it wicks moisture away. That is good. But I normally soak a regular t-shirt during my rides. If tactical shirt gets that wet, how does it feel? I hate the feel clammy stuff up tight against my skin when I'm dripping wet. I've skied and used the polyproph underwear under lots of layers on the slopes. I was every bit as wet then as I get on the bike and the poly didn't bother me.

[Pawpaw]

How about a 5.11 Tactical Holster Shirt?

If you get the right size, it will hold the gun tight to your side. You can easily carry a full size pistol and a couple of spare mags (under the other arm) and forget they're there. Just use a zippered sweatshirt jacket (hoodie?) to cover it up.

Just be sure to get it much smaller than your normal size. I'm 6' tall and 260 pounds. I normally wear a 2X T-shirt (3X for concealment). My Holster Shirts are XL. I tried a 2X and it is just a bit too loose, with the weight of the pistol pulling on it.

It looks like a great option. How about a couple of questions:

1. Most of the time that I would have a concealment issue, it would in the Summer. A zippered sweatshirt is definitely not going to work for me then as a cover garment.

Yes, you would need to find a lighter cover garment. I never said I had all the answers!

2. How well does the pistol stay put in the pocket? I deliberately pump several hills during my rides and that means standing on the pedals. There is a lot of body movement. A pistol sliding around on my side would likely make me nervous.

Each pocket has two velcro squares that hold it closed. They are extremely secure... to the point that, left alone, they will slow your draw. For my (less athletic) concealment needs, I foul the hook part of the velcro by rubbing it with a cotton ball. This makes it less "grabby".

The pockets are very deep. Even without the velcro, I can't see my all stainless steel 1911 commander falling out if I do anything less than somersaults.

3. It says that it wicks moisture away. That is good. But I normally soak a regular t-shirt during my rides. If tactical shirt gets that wet, how does it feel? I hate the feel clammy stuff up tight against my skin when I'm dripping wet. I've skied and used the polyproph underwear under lots of layers on the slopes. I was every bit as wet then as I get on the bike and the poly didn't bother me.

I have no idea how it works with heavy perspiration. It's basically a thin spandex shirt, so that might answer your question.

If you can make it to GT Distributors in Dallas, they have them in stock and you can try one on with your pistol. They have dressing rooms.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

http://www.wgal.com/news/30301618/detail.html

The above link is an update on this shooting incident. Within the link is another clickable link
where you can see 15 photos of the crime scene, the Reading LEO's, and their vehicles.

The 3 boys involved in this robbery had robbed 2 men earlier in the day.
Victim 3 was the armed 65 year old, who they had pinned against a fence after knocking
him off his bicycle.

The 16 year BG who was shot was out on probation. The authorities had placed an ankle
monitor on him the day before he and his 2 buddies went on their robbery spree.
Not exactly the resume of a brain surgeon/rocket scientist. :-)

Lesson here: Stupid criminals die young.

SIA

[Dave2]

I'd like to understand how, what, and where the rider carried and had access to, a defensive tool like a handgun.

Carrying a concealed pistol while wearing a Speedo suit and bump hat while all hunched over on a cycle would seem to be a challenge. I'd be interested to know how it was done.

salty

I still wouldn't carry on many of my rides because I have to cross two school yard and often when kids are on them. Still, it would be interesting to know how this guy was packin.
I don't do spandex (out of consideration for public decency) but I find biking attire and all of the bouncing around that I do a real challenge.

Does that matter? I know we can't carry inside school buildings and I know we can carry outside on school property, but I didn't realize that carrying on school grounds while kids are present was off-limits.

[speedsix]

...if they're there playing after school or weekends, no...if they're there involved in a school-sponsored event, like field day or recess...or football practice...yes, it matters, and you can't carry on the school grounds then...
Texas Penal Code 46.03(a)(1)

[chasfm11]

Does that matter? I know we can't carry inside school buildings and I know we can carry outside on school property, but I didn't realize that carrying on school grounds while kids are present was off-limits.

It may not. I am just not personally willing to take that chance. I've already been challenged by the principal at the one school for being there. The public trail goes across the school bus path behind the buildings. I listened to him less than 30 seconds before I recognized the Napoleon complex, D.ED mentality (I used to be a teacher). He would call LE in a heartbeat. Then, it is up to the responding officer to interpret whether "organized activity" includes the kids being out on the playground.

The general consensus on this board seems to be that you are OK if you are on school property in your car. Once you step out of the car, all bets are off. My bike makes it a lot more of a "squishy" situation than I want.

At the second school (a middle school), the teachers turn the kids loose on the public trails for Phys Ed and they can be up to a 1/2 mile from the actual school. Again, it is the "organized activity" part the bugs me, even though logically I cannot be responsible if I run into a crowd of them and something happens. Our town LE is run by the book and the traffic groups are really citation happy. It would be my luck to end up dealing with an LEO with an axe to grid. I'm sure that I could beat it eventually but it might be an expensive process. The fact that I ride there 3 times a week and "could have or should have known" about the wondering PE class is just a little too high on the risk scale for me.

[Sport Coach]

I've considered various options for bike and run carry. I have a MOLLE lite rig with a large shirt over it and it worked well even with running but was quite bulky and here in Houston only useful for cooler weather - I sweat a lot and don't care to rust my gun. One other option that looks better but I've not tried is the Urban Strider at http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/72 ... %2Bstrider" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. It looks like it would work quite well for almost all biking when tooling around.

[Poldark]

I'd like to understand how, what, and where the rider carried and had access to, a defensive tool like a handgun.

Carrying a concealed pistol while wearing a Speedo suit and bump hat while all hunched over on a cycle would seem to be a challenge. I'd be interested to know how it was done.

salty

Concealed in Crutch Carry :)

[stroguy]

The DA said he didn't condone violence....I need help with my vocabulary because I am having a hard time understanding his characterization as 'violence'. As I understand it violence is an intentional act. I don't think the biker had intent, but his actions were reactionary. So what is the term for reactionary use of force to defend yourself? I just hate to hear this person being demonized for saving his life with the word violence.

[magillapd]

Live as a Thug, die as a thug. Stop assaulting people and stay in school, maybe you'd be fine.

As for him carrying, remember PA is an open carry state and he may have been carrying OWB.

[VMI77]

Udate: http://www.wgal.com/news/30301618/detail.html

He was their THIRD victim of the day. They pinned against a fence. They were on probation....one of them was wearing an electronic monitor.

[VoiceofReason]

I'd like to understand how, what, and where the rider carried and had access to, a defensive tool like a handgun.

Carrying a concealed pistol while wearing a Speedo suit and bump hat while all hunched over on a cycle would seem to be a challenge. I'd be interested to know how it was done.

salty

Concealed in Crutch Carry :)

Live on the edge. Carry a Glock in a SmartCarry.

[speedsix]

...just don't get the hiccups...

[chasfm11]

Udate: http://www.wgal.com/news/30301618/detail.html

He was their THIRD victim of the day. They pinned against a fence. They were on probation....one of them was wearing an electronic monitor.

Of course. PA needs to maintain its recidivism rate and what better to do it than with juveniles. They are just misguided (in this case three times worth of mis-guiding in the same day.)

It sounds like the victim was shooting from a retention position. I don't think that PA has the same protection as TX regarding civil suits. I hope this poor victim doesn't have to defend himself on one of those on top of the incident.